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Amicus | Tanks On DC’s Streets And A US Senator In Handcuffs

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🗓️ 14 June 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

America feels very different this weekend. While the president’s planned military parade (that just happens to coincide with his birthday) will see tanks and armored vehicles rolling through Washington DC, federalized National Guard and US Marines have been deployed to Los Angeles over the objections of state and city electeds, many of us are reeling from seeing a sitting US Senator forced to the floor and cuffed for trying to ask a question, and dozens of protests are planned around the country to declare “No Kings”.  It’s. A. Lot. In this episode of Amicus  Dahlia Lithwick is joined by Mark Joseph Stern to try to process some of the events of the last week, and to understand where the law stands on the key question of whether President Trump lawfully deployed troops quell anti-ICE raid  protests in California that the administration is trying to claim are a “rebellion”. This is part of Opinionpalooza, Slate’s coverage of the major decisions from the Supreme Court this June. The best way to support our work is by joining Slate Plus. (If you are already a member, consider a donation or merch!)Also! Sign up for Slate’s Legal Brief: the latest coverage of the courts and the law straight to your inbox. Delivered every Tuesday. Want more Amicus? Join Slate Plus to unlock weekly bonus episodes with exclusive legal analysis. Plus, you’ll access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the Amicus show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/amicusplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Dahlia Lithwick, and this is Amicus, Slate's podcast about the courts, the law, and the Supreme Court.

0:26.8

When you listen to this on Saturday morning, the sun will be rising on two Americas.

0:41.2

In Washington, D.C., dozens of tanks will thunder through the streets in a military display that putatively marks the Army's 250th birthday, but very clearly marks dear leader Donald Trump's birthday.

0:47.6

Around the country, thousands upon thousands of people will be getting on buses, making signs,

0:55.1

and gathering friends to march in no king's protests happening at state capitals, right enshrined in the First Amendment.

1:01.3

Many of them worried about being arrested simply for speaking and assembling, and in that same America, millions of people will be afraid to go to their jobs or to church or the corner store

1:07.2

for fear of being rounded up by masked ice forces. We have no idea how this day will

1:14.7

end. And as I try to type these words and to record this introduction, I am quite honestly

1:21.2

overwhelmed by the events of the past seven days, not to mention the past five months. Mark and I are so honored that so many of you

1:31.4

trust us to make sense of things for you, but sometimes events just defy sensemaking.

1:38.1

Let's try to pick a path through all of this together. On Saturday morning, when federal agents

1:43.4

jumped out of an unmarked van near

1:45.5

Home Depot parking lot, they began grabbing people, a deliberate targeting of a heavily

1:51.0

Latino suburb. A similar scene played out when a clothing company was raided downtown.

1:56.2

In other actions, a U.S. citizen, nine months pregnant, was arrested, a four-year-old girl taken,

2:04.5

families separated, friends quite literally disappearing.

2:08.2

Last weekend, in response to unprecedented ice raids across L.A. County, protests sprung up.

2:14.5

Protests that in no way, shape, or form constituted a national emergency.

2:21.0

Between Sunday and Monday, the president of the United States pressed 4,000 California National

2:26.7

Guard members into his service and deployed 700 Marines to Los Angeles over the stated objections

2:34.1

of city and state officials.

2:37.0

Hundreds of National Guard troops now on the ground, deployed by President Trump, even though state leaders say they didn't ask for them and don't want them there.

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