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Amicus | He Quit the Bench to Raise the Alarm

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🗓️ 15 November 2025

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

Dahlia Lithwick welcomes retired federal judge Mark Wolf for his first ever podcast interview. The Reagan-appointed jurist made headlines last week with his searing indictment of the threat posed to the rule of law and democracy by the current administration. Judge Wolf opens up about his decision to leave the bench after decades of public service and the challenges faced by judges in the face of a president and a Justice Department showing scant regard for the rules.  Next, Dahlia is joined by California Attorney General Rob Bonta, who tells her, “If Trump breaks the law and hurts our state, we sue him.” Together, they discuss the urgency of justice in response to the tactics employed by the Trump administration. As Democratic AGs band together to sue against unlawful executive actions, Bonta explains their strategies in securing injunctions against the administration.  Want more Amicus? Join Slate Plus to unlock weekly bonus episodes with exclusive legal analysis. Plus, you’ll access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the Amicus show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/amicusplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Dahlia Lithwick.

0:05.6

This is Amicus, Slate's podcast about the courts, the law, and the Supreme Court.

0:18.0

There's a sense of gathering momentum around the idea that the past few weeks have signaled some kind of beginning of some sort of end.

0:27.4

The shutdown, the elections, Donald Trump's 30-something percent approval ratings, one court after another hurling sand into the gears.

0:35.8

And this week, the near inevitability of a Jeffrey Epstein revelation that Donald Trump has managed to outrun and to deflect for decades.

0:45.9

Adding her voice to that momentum, here is newly seated Arizona Democrat Adelita Grihalva in her first speech to the House after her

0:56.3

50-day wait to be sworn in came to an end this week.

1:00.3

Our democracy only works when everyone has a voice.

1:05.9

This includes the millions of people across the country who have experienced violence and exploitation, including

1:13.6

Liz Stein and Jessica Michaels, both survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse. They are here

1:20.1

in the gallery with us this evening. Thank you for being here. Just this morning, House Democrats released more emails showing that Trump knew more about

1:33.3

Epstein's abuses than he previously acknowledged.

1:38.3

It's passed time for Congress to restore its role as a check and balance on this administration and fight for we, the American people.

1:49.5

As somebody who actually thought it was the beginning of some sort of end back when the Access Hollywood

1:55.3

tapes surfaced, I'm not here to make any promises. But I am here to tell you that this is not the moment to say

2:01.8

nothing matters. To the Epstein survivors, this moment matters. It also matters to history,

2:07.9

and with all due respect to our friends at the New York Times, to all the women who poured

2:12.5

their values and their feelings all over the law for the last two centuries, the reckoning is past due, and it still

2:19.4

matters. And so we beat on boats against the current, and this week's episode showcases two

2:25.7

extraordinary forces for justice in unprecedented times. In a moment, a clarion voice who answered

2:32.9

a question that we've been asking on this show for weeks.

2:36.0

What would a federal judge say if they could step out of the straitjacket of convention, professional norms, and lifetime tenure, and say exactly what they think about what is happening right now?

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