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American History Hit

American Traitors: Axis Sally

American History Hit

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America, History

4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 21 August 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Is contributing to enemy propaganda treason? In this second episode on American Traitors, we are meeting 'Axis Sally', real name Mildred Gillars.


Professor Michael Flamm joins us to explore the life of this American citizen who broadcast American music, scripted dramas and hateful rhetoric from the heart of the Nazi Third Reich, Berlin. Listen to find out how she was found guilty of treason.


Michael is a scholar of modern American political history at Ohio State University. He taught at Mildred Gillar's former college, Ohio Wesleyan University from 1998 to 2024.


Produced by Sophie Gee. Edited by Aidan Lonergan. Senior Producer was Charlotte Long.


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0:00.0

According to Article 3, Section 3 Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution,

0:07.9

no one can be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act,

0:15.2

or on a confession in open court.

0:18.0

The latter won't be happening here.

0:19.7

We stand by our innocence. But as the prosecution

0:22.9

and defense laid out their cases, our eyes kept drifting to the wooden witness box. Who or what

0:29.7

might the prosecution have aligned against us? Could we be brought face to face with the people

0:35.6

we never thought we'd see again?

0:41.1

Just as the traitor Axis Sally once was at her own trial,

0:47.6

or the Rosenbergs, whose fates were host, Don Wildman. Thanks for listening.

1:06.4

In fighting a war, the use of propaganda aimed either at civilians on the home front or troops in the

1:12.4

field plays a strategic role in psychologically weakening the enemy. Its actual effectiveness is

1:18.7

debatable, but that hasn't stopped militaries across the ages from putting it into practice.

1:23.6

If guns and artillery are designed to destroy walls, machinery, and people, then propaganda

1:29.6

targets hearts and minds, and that can gain you an advantage. Or so goes the thinking.

1:35.0

In the 20th century, electronic media provided a whole new kind of propaganda. No longer was it

1:41.3

just posters and leaflets dropping from the skies. Now there were radio broadcasts

1:46.4

capable of reaching antennas in enemy trenches or on ships at sea. One of the most famous

1:52.5

propagandists in World War II was an American named Mildred Gillers working for Nazi Germany,

1:58.7

a woman best known by her nickname, Axis Sally.

2:02.8

Our guest today knows her story well. Michael Flam is a professor of American political history

2:07.5

at Ohio State University, but from 1998 to 2024, he worked at Ohio Wesleyan University, which is

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