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More Perfect

American Pendulum Reprise

More Perfect

WNYC Studios

Wnyc, Scotus, Perfect, History, Court, More, Documentary, Courses, Supreme, Education, Society & Culture

4.814.7K Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2018

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

What happens when the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, seems to get it wrong? Korematsu v. United States upheld President Franklin Roosevelt’s internment of American citizens during World War II based solely on their Japanese heritage, for the sake of national security. In this episode, we follow Fred Korematsu’s path to the Supreme Court, and we ask the question: if you can’t get justice in the Supreme Court, can you find it someplace else?

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0:00.0

Leadership support for more perfect is provided by the Joyce Foundation.

0:05.9

A more perfect people.

0:07.7

Jad here, I know you haven't heard from us in a while. A new season is on its way. It's going to be

0:12.2

a very interesting, special, different kind of situation for us than the first two seasons.

0:18.4

We're dropping by today because the Supreme Court, as you may have heard, came out with a really

0:22.8

big controversial decision. The court upheld President Trump's travel ban.

0:28.0

It was a split decision, five to four, like so many decisions these days.

0:33.6

But both sides, name dropped this one particular Supreme Court case from back in 1944. The

0:39.6

Kormatsu decision. The majority said Kormatsu has got nothing to do with this travel ban. The

0:46.6

dissent said, yeah, it does. This decision is just like Kormatsu. The court now is using the same

0:54.0

dangerous logic that it used back then. If you haven't already, you can meet Kormatsu for yourself.

1:02.2

We actually started off season two with this story from producer Julia Longoria that takes a

1:07.6

look at the Kormatsu decision and the guy behind it. And in light of today's decision, it might

1:18.4

be an interesting listen. Producer Julia Longoria starts us off.

1:28.4

The year is 1967 and the place is San Lorenzo High School in the East Bay of California.

1:39.0

And we're in a US history classroom. I was actually a junior in high school. This is Karen Kormatsu.

1:47.2

I'm the executive director and founder of the Fred T. Kormatsu Institute in San Francisco.

1:52.4

So on this particular day, Karen is sitting at the back of the classroom. And our teacher had assigned

1:58.9

each of my classmates a little paperback book to read. You know, books about American history,

2:05.5

government, and the assignment was to then get up in front of the class and give an oral book report.

2:11.5

I mean, this is a long time ago. So that's the way they used to do things. I don't even remember what

2:16.7

my book was or my subject, but Karen said she was just sitting there in class listening. As one

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