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The New Statesman | UK politics and culture

America's greatest hoax

The New Statesman | UK politics and culture

The New Statesman

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4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

How did a joke gone awry in 1967 forever changed the nation’s relationship with the truth?


Rachel Cunliffe is joined by Phil Tinline, a regular writer for the New Statesman and author of the new book Ghosts of Iron Mountain: The Hoax that Duped America and its Sinister Legacy.






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0:00.0

The New Statesman

0:02.0

Hello, I'm Rachel Cunleff, and this is Politics from The New Statesman, the show where usually we bring you the latest from Westminster and beyond.

0:14.0

However, Parliament is in recess, so we're going to do something a little bit different today.

0:19.0

Instead of the usual ups and downs of Whitehall,

0:21.8

we're going to be speaking about America's greatest hoax,

0:25.1

how a joke gone awry in 1967 forever changed the nation's relationship with the truth.

0:31.0

I'm delighted to be joined in the studio by Phil Tinline,

0:34.5

a regular writer for the new statesman,

0:36.7

an author of The New Book, Ghosts of Iron Mountain,

0:40.1

The Hoax That Jooped America and Its Sinister Legacy.

0:44.1

Phil Tinline, thank you so much for joining us.

0:46.0

Thank you.

0:46.7

Let's start with the title.

0:48.0

You can't call something the Ghost of Iron Mountain

0:50.2

and then not explained.

0:51.9

So what is Iron Mountain and what is this hoax that occurred in

0:56.2

1967? Okay, so Iron Mountain at the time was a nuclear bunker for executives to flee to

1:03.0

when the bombs started falling. They thought get in helicopters and fly off to these luxury

1:07.9

bunkers with chandeliers and cinema suites and all sorts of things

1:11.0

100 miles north of New York City. Of course, there were a couple of flaws in that plan, but, you know,

1:15.6

big companies invested in this. It was also a document store and so on. And it had been like an iron,

1:21.2

an iron ore mine and then a mushroom farm, but it was created as this in the early Cold War because

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