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Thank you for having me. You have written a piece at American greatness, the title, a time of chaos upon chaos, a top chaos.

Will this chaos that you describe in your piece that we are posting right now on Twitter and Facebook, do you expect it to increase in the days ahead as we approach the electoral college and also then the vote in the joint House of Senate for who should be the next president?

Yeah, and even more so when you get to Georgia, I'm generally sure. So it's going to be one of the most bizarre periods in my lifetime.

Remember, and I say that because I think there was, I said in the piece, there was violations of state legislation and that infected the voting, but my, I think the tone or the temper of the debate.

It was governed by time and suddenly when I heard these, and we all heard these claims that there wasn't just a close vote that may have been altered or massaged by violation of state voting laws, but there may have been 70% mandate, a percentage vote taken or 400 votes in electoral college or millions of votes that were psyched away from the computer and critics or something.

Everybody was blown away and the left, of course, took out and so we just happened about eight days ago, so we were all expecting this huge co-reboard data in a way that would be different than the more slower processes and the courts that the president was seeking.

But I haven't seen it yet. And so I'm and just if I want it to appear, but I don't I don't see it yet in a way that would be conducive for the president.

So does that mean that you have don't have high hopes for Rudy Giuliani and the team that in the time a lot of they can demonstrate enough infractions enough fraudulent activity to actually have a significant dent on Biden's chances?

Yeah, I think I should start with a premise that I think the lay left is more than capable of it and members of the left than they would want it to happen. And there is an ability within these on tried computer systems.

We know what Georgia had problems way back in July people warned them to take one example and then when we call it that to the COVID induced lockdown panic of the Maryland and early voted all of that was a perfect storm.

So the landscape is there and yet I would have wished that we had just to take an example of what I'm getting up to.

I wish we had a forensic expert get on first and say look this this I can replicate this on any any computer here's a computer right in front of you.

Let me show you how you do it and then do it or I wish that somebody said I am a whistleblower and I did this this night and I'm ashamed of what I've done.

We haven't had that evidence before the statement and so anytime in my own life that I've had grievances I always try to get the state the facts first and then I summer summer life and I don't even summer I can let them the other side deal with it.

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