I'm Christopher Leiden, and this is open source in the long weekend of solemn suspense before our presidential election in 2024.

Our guest is Amber. I met Amber on a call-in radio show almost 30 years ago, and we've been talking ever since.

I call you my Oracle from Underground, Amber, the voice've been talking ever since. I call you my oracle from underground, Amber,

the voice of the unknown America, undocumented, since you arrived in the United States as a child

and an orphan, and you've been without papers, as you say, ever since, despite our best efforts.

When Donald Trump talks about sweeping deportations, if he gets reelected,

the face I see is yours.

He's talking at a scale of millions.

I'd just love you to speak for the target of those threats.

From your head, your heart, what you're going through fair is an interesting thing i guess it's you feel it you taste it you live with it it's there every

moment it's in the supermarket when you're buying the loaf of bread the last month or so as this selection moves closer.

You know, it's your hand on the bread and your eyes at the door. Do I need the bread? Is the bread that significant?

Will I have time to eat the bread? Do I need to run more than I need the bread?

The bread's going to cost money.

I need that money if I need to get out of here.

And then you feel that wave of there's no place to go.

Where am I going to go?

You think Canada, we may get to that.

Do you see ICE officers coming up the stairs?

I imagine so. I can't imagine there's a whirl in which there won't be.

I mean, you start to reshape everything in your mind, doctor's appointments at BMC.

I took a nasty fall in Matapan a few months ago.

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