This is an IHeart podcast.

It's that time.

Lock and load.

The Michael Vary show is on the air. Of all the issues that get the least public attention in the political realm,

how much regulation should there be or not, deregulation, overregulation, guiding technology here or there, even allowing innovation or subsidizing innovation.

How the consumer choices will be made and the economics of all of that.

Subsidies certainly make a difference, whether they be on the front end or the back end.

John Berger is our guest.

He spent a career in this field most recently at Sinova.

John, I got an email.

Let me see if I can find it again.

Let me ask you a question while I'm finding this email.

Can you skate backwards? Did you have a roller

skate as a kid? Found it. I was never very good at it. I did try. I couldn't skate backwards.

My brother could. Bothers me to this day. All right. Roger writes, this energy fella today was

earnest, but kind of a zealot. I had wanted to ask him about

brownouts that Texas has been ferting with these past few years, specifically due to over-reliance

on wind energy. How producing solar panels and batteries and wind turbines hurts the environment

during mining production disposal nuclear natural gas we will

never run out and they're clean and reliable relying on these sources is not soviet style it works

and no brownouts your response john burger my comment on the soviet style was the regulatory

structure of the power industry and was not specific at whatsoever to fuel pipe or technology generation would you fight this guy

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