Richard DeCleu, how are you? Good. How are you doing, man?

Well, this is, I've never done this before. This is the first time I've had a first cup of coffee

in an interview. Do you know what I mean? I held off just for you. That's dangerous. Yeah.

Yeah. Maybe that's why I feel so cruddy. I'll gradually get less grumpy as we go.

My wife and I were talking about this the other day.

Like my wife will say, well, why do I need to have a drink with you? Like if I have a whiskey

at night. I can't have a glass of wine or something, you know. And she's got a health issue,

so she probably shouldn't, and I probably shouldn't be encouraging her. So what does it matter to yet? And I think coffee's similar.

It's an experience we're sharing together, you know what I mean?

Like, let's have a coffee together.

If I'm having a coffee and you're having a water, I don't like that.

Right.

It's one of my many old man things.

Well, I will say, I'm impressed because I'm very picky about coffee.

And this is actually really good.

Yeah. Good. So De Clue. It's a sweet last name. Well done. Yeah. Yeah. I did a lot of work on that one.

So we're going to be talking about the Vatican 2 today a lot. I'm really excited to learn from you about it.

But for those who aren't familiar with you,

would you just give a quick kind of bio?

Okay.

So I come from a rather devout Catholic family on both sides.

So both my parents were devout, both sets of their parents were devout.

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