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The Most Dramatic Podcast Ever

All’s Fair in Love and Roses with Chad Kultgen and Lizzy Pace from Game of Roses PART 2

The Most Dramatic Podcast Ever

iHeartPodcasts

Society & Culture, Tv & Film, Relationships

4.43.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Our conversation with Chad Kultgen and Lizzy Pace (from the Game of Roses podcast and authors of “How to Win The Bachelor”) continues!

We explore if Ashley would have ever graced the shores of Love Island and what we can expect from her on The Real Housewives of Rhode Island!

Plus, what do our Bachelor game experts think about Taylor Frankie Paul???

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is an IHeart podcast.

0:04.7

This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast with Iheart Radio.

0:10.6

We're back with Lizzie and Chad.

0:13.8

From The Game of Roses podcast, we have more questions, more discussions.

0:20.3

I'm intrigued.

0:21.3

Ashley's intrigued.

0:22.8

We just came off of a golden season that you have both been publicly quoted by saying you did not enjoy it.

0:33.1

I've also been like, wow, like Mel will never come on this podcast.

0:37.3

I couldn't hold back.

0:39.5

I think it would help us and our listeners because they've heard us for weeks now

0:45.9

kind of walk through episode by episode and break down what we liked and didn't like

0:51.0

and what was missing and not missing.

0:53.1

But we are doing it from an opinion

0:55.3

and from our own personal opinions. We don't have any really study other than how we feel

1:02.9

watching the show and how disconnected we felt watching this season. I also want to say this,

1:08.8

and I know I'm long-winded here, I had a lot of high hopes for

1:12.4

the Golden Show. I did, and I still do. I don't think it's, I think somebody could take it over

1:18.4

and really make it a success still. I think what we've seen this last season, it might be the death

1:23.0

sentence for the current reality that we know the golden to be.

1:32.5

But what actually made from your opinions and the more study of it,

1:34.8

what made this season so bad?

1:40.0

And Mel is a lead so, you know, disconnected for the two of you.

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