We all watch The Bachelor as if it were a professional sport, but Chad Kultgen and Lizzy Pace from the Game of Roses podcast and authors of "How To Win The Bachelor" take it to an entirely different level. They’re hanging out with Ben and Ashley and sharing their expert opinion on who “played” the game of The Bachelor the best.

They share their thoughts on how much impact producers should have on the decisions of the cast, and how much true “manipulation” can steer someone’s journey of love. 

Plus, Chad reveals his personal connection to some people from Bachelor Nation!

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