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Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pablo Torre
4.7 • 2.6K Ratings
🗓️ 20 November 2025
⏱️ 79 minutes
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Summary
She notoriously parlayed a tie for fifth into a star turn on Fox News. But who's funneling money into the radicalization of Riley Gaines? And what's her dark past lurking beneath the surface? In partnership with PTFO, Madison Pauly from The Center for Investigative Reporting spent six months wading through the trans-athlete debate — then washed up with former teammates, NBA owners, merch... and a Supreme Court case that could change everything.
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| 0:00.0 | So the reason you're hearing and seeing me right now is because we have a bit of incredible news to share. |
| 0:04.8 | Our show, Pablo Tori finds out, was not only named one of the best of 2025 by Apple Podcasts, |
| 0:10.6 | but our episode, The Silent Superstar and the Rodden Apple Tree, which was, you know, the whole |
| 0:16.0 | investigation and aspiration in Kauai Leonard and the Clippers, was also chosen as one of Apple |
| 0:20.5 | podcasts's best episodes of the year. You can check both of those things out. to Aspiration and Kauai Leonard and the Clippers was also chosen as one of Apple Podcasts |
| 0:21.4 | best episodes of the year. |
| 0:23.9 | You can check both of those things out, |
| 0:25.3 | the best shows and the best episodes list right now |
| 0:28.0 | in the Apple Podcast app. |
| 0:29.5 | So thank you so much for listening. |
| 0:31.6 | Thank you for making clear what Apple Time, Apple Time actually means. |
| 0:37.0 | And today, you are going to find out what this sound is. |
| 0:41.4 | Where's our beautiful, great swimmer? Gaines, where's Gaines? Look at, come up here. Will you please |
| 0:47.4 | come up here? Come up, come up. This is a great champion. |
| 0:59.4 | And she was beating everybody, and then one day she looked over and said, |
| 1:02.0 | that's the largest human being I've ever seen. |
| 1:04.1 | Right after this ad. |
| 1:15.4 | This is really cool. I've never done anything like this before. I've never done a podcast before. |
| 1:17.9 | Oh my God. Well, okay. So apologies in advance. |
| 1:24.9 | No, no, no, no. So I want to explain for our audience here, let's just get into it. I want to explain for our audience here that you, Madison, are joining us from where? |
| 1:28.3 | I'm in San Francisco. I'm in the Center for Investigative Reporting offices. |
| 1:31.8 | The Center for Investigative Reporting is, of course, the parent company of Mother Jones, |
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