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Alex Gladstein is the chief strategy officer of the Human Rights Foundation and a guest lecturer

at Singularity University. In this conversation, we talked about Bitcoin, foreign aid, Web 3.0

is a decentralized world, unbanking the banked, and the surveillance state. I really enjoyed this

intellectually deep conversation, and I hope you do as well. Anthony Pompliano is a partner at Morgan Creek Digital.

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All right, guys, welcome. We have Alex here. Thank you so much for coming and making this happen.

My pleasure. Can't wait. I'm super excited. As many of you probably know,

Alex is the chief strategy officer at the Human Rights Foundation, and he's a guest lecturer at

Singularity University. So that's what you're doing now. Maybe let's just start with your background,

and then we can figure out how you eventually ended up playing with internet magic money.

Sure. Yeah. So I think this conversation is going to start a little bit differently than some of your other guests because I come from the world of political science and studying governance and government as opposed to studying finance and money. And at the Human Rights Foundation, we study authoritarianism. You know, we study

the way that societies are built and we study the fact that about 52% of the people in today's

world live under a highly centralized government, where all the powers in one place, under one person,

one king, one lord, one dictator. And that's kind of how human history always was, right?

Yep.

After the agricultural revolution, people shaped themselves into these kind of hierarchical

top-down governance structures.

But you know what?

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