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The Good Fight

Albert Wu on Taiwan’s Past, Present and Future

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2024

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk and Albert Wu discuss how historical divisions explain the outcome of the island’s recent elections. Albert Wu is a Taiwanese historian and the author, with his wife Michelle Kuo, of the Substack newsletter A Broad and Ample Road. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Albert Wu discuss the electoral victory of the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) and what it portends for cross-strait relations; how the Kuomintang went from fighting the CCP in a bloody civil war to advocating closer ties with Beijing; and what Taiwan's history can teach us about different views on its future. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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On the DPP side, I think it is rooted in this idea of the colonial or anti-colonial framework, which is that Taiwan's history has been that of successive waves of colonization and that the people who live on

0:46.2

the island have never been fully in charge of their own destiny.

0:51.9

Even today, you know, sort of in an international stage

0:54.1

and this is one of the big claims of the pro-independence faction

0:58.6

that even in the international sphere,

1:01.0

China is always blocking all of its attempts at more political recognition on the

1:06.8

international stage.

1:09.2

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

1:17.0

My guest today is Albert Wu.

1:20.0

Albert is a research fellow at the Institute of History and Philology at the Academic

1:28.1

Seneca in Taipei. He is a global historian who has written about the spread of religion and different regimes of public health around the world,

1:38.0

but he is also a particular expert on the history of Taiwan. And so for today's installment of the good fight, I thought

1:46.8

that I would ask him to explain the recent elections in Taiwan, but more importantly, to help us understand the long-run history of the island,

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