So back to Dudley here, JD and Duffer Bag podcast and I'm joined for AJ Trace.

You're good man.

I'm alright, we were saying this earlier, it's like you can't really be good in these

times.

Yeah, as good as you can be.

You're getting through, yeah, exactly.

We're there, we're there.

So I feel like the first thing to come to mind with you, or one of the first things anyway,

is that you have shown everybody how to absolutely smash it as an independent artist,

I have no label back here.

And just, yeah, you make it look really easy, you've known it.

It's trusting how sad I am, it's still so far from easy, but I'm glad it looks that way.

But you've set the president, I feel, for a lot of UK artists to follow it.

Not a degree, you ought to agree, you ought to agree.

Yeah, it's a...

For anybody who doesn't really know how the industry works, like that, can you explain

why it was important for you to go independent?

Like I said, it is tough and there were a lot of rappers and UK artists who went down the

major label routes, so why do you want to go into the industry?

Of course, so when I was young, I first started rapping, I think maybe I was like, I started

rapping at like six years old, but when I was a young man, when I was like 18, I thought,

yeah, I need a record though, if I want to be like a famous rapper.

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