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It's the November 1st, 2019 episode, and it's highly worth listening to.

Russell's a great interviewer who gets into deep topics easily and effortlessly, and with

wildly gesticulating hands, and this interview was no different.

As Russell says, quote, the main thrust of it, as you can imagine, was me continually going, but yeah, come on, there must be a god.

And then he clarifies, it's about the ongoing argument that it's hard to apply the tools of science to realms that may be beyond sensory experience.

And how can science claim to be objective as it exists within a capitalist consumer culture that

has its own objectives? Good questions. Such good questions and answers that I felt compelled

to insert a few ideas into the conversation myself. And first off, there's a whole lot to like

about Neil deGrasse Tyson, even though he and I will disagree on some central things.

He comes from his heart, his work is infused with wonder. In this interview, he extols the

virtue of what he calls the cosmic view, a view in which the immediate concerns of the

individual are replaced by a vision of interconnectedness and are a small place before a vast

cosmos. So this isn't by any means an admonishment of all things, Neal.

It's simply a differing perspective in a world in which differing perspectives are valuable,

and it's presented with respect.

As I've said before on this podcast, when I criticize science,

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