You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero podcast. You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.

Hi, Nathan.

Hi, Bob.

How you doing?

You know, never a dull moment in the AI game, that's for sure.

Or the world generally.

And actually, we're going to talk about the intersection of the two. So, you know, I'm really looking forward to this. Let me introduce us. I'm Robert Wright, publisher of Non-Zero Newsletter. This is a non-zero podcast. You're Nathan Labens. Host of the highly regarded Cognitive Revolution podcast, which is one of my three go-to

podcasts on AI. It's been very valuable for me. You're also founder of a company called Waymark

that does video ads for small companies and employees AI in that process to make it cost

effective for the companies in

question um let me uh if you'll indulge me uh give like the background story to this conversation

so a couple of weeks ago i published in my non-zero news letter a a story called AI surrenders to the military industrial

complex. The newspeg, as we used to say in journalism, was just that a couple of companies

anthropic and meta had kind of crossed the line. They had decided that they were going to do

business with the U.S. military, involving their large language models,

and also involving Palantir, by the way, a well-known Silicon Valley defense contractor

that had focused more in predictive than generative AI traditionally, but I'm sure it's open to all forms of Pentagon revenue.

And, you know, I, um, I, um, I DM'd you about the, the piece.

I sent you the link, thought you might be interested in it.

And I should say, uh, the, the, the part of the story that I thought was most important,

actually was not, not the news news but kind of uh why some

of it surprised people and why they shouldn't have been surprised and I'm thinking in particular about

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