When you are pioneering anything or introducing new ideas to the culture, you get criticized.

You do?

Yeah. Did you hear about that?

I didn't find the one. I found someone I respected and we made it the one.

In a sort of longing kind of view of love, people understand each other as if by magic.

Nothing in itself is addictive on one hand. And in the hand, everything could be addictive if

there's an emptiness in that person that needs to be filled. I now know that nobody changes

until they change their energy. And when you change your energy, you change your life.

I'm Gwyneth Peltro. This is the Goop Podcast, bringing together thought leaders, culture

changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists, doctors, healers and seekers. Here to start

conversations, because simply asking questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world.

Here we go.

Welcome to the Goop Podcast. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow and today I am sitting down with one of the most famous relationship counselors in the world.

She understands modern relationships in a way that very few people do.

In this conversation, we talk about the paradoxes of trust and betrayal,

and a topic that is on a lot of people's minds in long-term relationships, what it takes to

sustain desire long-term. We also talk about a podcast she did in the not-too-distant past

where she counseled a young man and his AI girlfriend. So this is a great conversation. I can't wait for you to hear it.

Please welcome Esther Perel.

I'm so happy that you're here with me today. So am I. It's been a long time.

I know. I'm trying to think, you know, I was thinking back to how we first met and I couldn't, I couldn't remember. I came to your conference. Is that where we first met? Yes. Oh my gosh. I came to your conference. Then I came to your house. Then I came to your retreat. Yeah. Then I came to the podcast and then I'm back.

And you're back at the podcast.

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