AI: “An Exponential Disruption” with Kate Crawford (2023)

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

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🗓️ 1 August 2023

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Since Chris is just getting back from vacation this week, we're re-sharing one of our favorite episodes. You might be feeling that artificial intelligence is starting to seem a bit like magic. Our guest points out that AI, once the subject of science fiction, has seen the biggest rise of any consumer technology in history and has outpaced the uptake of TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. As we see AI becoming more of an everyday tool, students are even using chatbots like ChatGPT to write papers. While automating certain tasks can help with productivity, we’re starting to see more examples of the dark side of the technology. How close are we to genuine external intelligence? Kate Crawford is an AI expert, research professor at USC Annenberg, honorary professor at the University of Sydney and senior principal researcher at Microsoft Research Lab in New York City. She’s also author of “Atlas of AI: Power, Politics, and the Planetary Costs of Artificial Intelligence.” Crawford joins WITHpod to discuss the social and political implications of AI, exploited labor behind its growth, why she says it’s “neither artificial nor intelligent,” climate change concerns, the need for regulation and more.

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0:00.0	So we could turn to OpenAI's own prediction here, which is that they say 80% of jobs are
0:08.4	going to be automated in some way by these systems.
0:11.7	That is a staggering prediction.
0:14.9	Goldman Sachs just released a report this month saying 300 jobs in the US are looking
0:20.6	at very serious forms of automation impacting what they do from day to day.
0:25.2	So I mean, it's a staring when you start to look at these numbers, right?
0:28.0	So the thing that I think is interesting is to think about this historically, right?
0:31.9	We could think about the industrial revolution.
0:34.6	It takes a while to build factory machinery and train people on how things worked.
0:40.4	We could think about the transformations that happened in the early days of the personal
0:44.9	computer.
0:45.9	Again, a slow and gradual rollout as people began to incorporate this technology.
0:52.2	The opposite is happening here.
0:58.0	Hello and welcome to Wise is happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.
1:07.5	There's a famous Arthur C. Clarke quote that I think about all the time.
1:11.1	He was a science fiction writer and futurist and he wrote a book called Profiles the
1:15.2	Future and Inquiry into Limits Possible and this quote, which you probably have caught
1:19.2	at one point or another, is that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable for
1:24.7	magic.
1:26.4	And there's something profound about that.
1:28.3	I remember the first time that I saw Steve Jobs do the iPhone presentation and the first
1:33.2	time I held my hand, it really did feel like magic.
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