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The Next Big Idea

AI 2027: What If Superhuman AI Is Right Around the Corner?

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4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2025

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Could AI take over in the next few years? Daniel Kokotajlo thinks so. Here’s why. 💿 Check out this Spotify playlist of our other episodes about AI 📩 Want to transform your day in just 10 minutes? Sign up for our Book of the Day newsletter, and you’ll get daily, bite‑sized insights from the best new nonfiction books — in audio or text — straight from the authors. Sign up today!

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0:00.0

LinkedIn Presents.

0:05.8

I'm Rufus Griscombe, and this is the next big idea.

0:10.4

Today, the risks and rapture of superintelligence. Today's episode is a doozy.

0:36.6

Today's episode is a doozy.

0:39.3

I won't sugarcoat it.

0:41.3

Our guest today thinks there is a 70% probability that AI will achieve superintelligence

0:47.3

resulting in either human subjectation or extermination, the end of our story. And he thinks this could happen in the next 10 years.

0:59.5

Now, of course, there are many people who disagree. We'll get into that. Some think AI will never

1:05.0

achieve superintelligence. Others think it will take many decades. And that time will enable us to

1:10.6

build in the transparency

1:12.0

to keep AIs aligned.

1:14.3

That's a word you'll hear many times in this conversation, meaning working in collaboration

1:19.1

with humans to advance our interests.

1:22.4

But our guest today, Daniel Kokatelo, is worth taking seriously because he has an uncanny track record

1:29.8

of accurately predicting AI progress. In 2021, he published a scenario titled What 2026 looks like,

1:39.4

in which he laid out predictions for the next five years of AI progress. From the surge of advanced chatbots to US restrictions on the export of AI chips to China,

1:51.0

many of Daniel's predictions have come true, earning him a reputation as a reluctant profit.

1:57.7

After that success, he joined Open AI as a governance researcher only to depart in 2024 in a very public break over AI safety concerns.

2:07.6

Now free to speak his mind, Daniel has teamed up with other top analysts to produce AI 2027, a detailed forecast published a few weeks ago that provides a month-by-month roadmap of how

2:20.7

the next waves of AI development might unfold.

2:24.5

That's what we're going to talk about today.

2:27.8

But first, I think it's worth taking a moment to step back and think through what we're doing

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