Hi and welcome to the Team Deakin's podcast. This podcast is a dialogue between Roger and

James Deakin's often joined in the conversation by a guest. It's very informal and we never

know where it will go. We're connecting through Zoom so bear that in mind when you hear

the audio.

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Today we're joined by a director. Her credits are many and include Europa Europa in darkness,

to kill a priest, and total eclipse. And of course, there's the secret garden on which we had

the pleasure of working with her. We're pleased to welcome Agneska Holland with us today. Agneska,

thank you for doing this. We're so pleased. Yes, nice to see you. It's a pleasure. Thank you

for having me in such a great company of yourselves and also other guests. Thank you. We'd like to

start with asking you what path you took to get to where you are today. Did you always know you

wanted to do movies? Was it something you found later? Tell us how you got there.

Well, I knew it quite early. It means I was 15 when I decided that that is what I have to do.

And before, and I was drawing, I was painting a bit and I was quite gifted. So I decided I

would be the painter. And I met a very talented young painter of my age. And we had little

romance even if he was a bit autistic. And after like three months, I shown him my drawings and he

was looking carefully at that, watching it. And then he said after 40 minutes, maybe. It's not bad

for a woman. Oh, yeah, it was probably first sexist remark of the sky. I got, which made me

angry, of course. Yeah. After a while, I started to think that maybe not about the woman, but

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