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Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Stoic. Each weekday we bring you a meditation inspired by the ancient Stoic, something that can help you live up to those four Stoic virtues of courage, justice, wisdom and temperance.

And here on the weekend we take a deeper dive into those same topics. We interview Stoic philosophers, we reflect, we prepare.

We think deeply about the challenging issues of our time. And we work through this philosophy in a way that's more possible here when we're not Russian to worker to get the kids to school.

And we have the time to sing, to go for a walk, to sit with our journals and to prepare for what the future will bring.

Hey, it's Ryan. Welcome to another episode, the Daily Stoic podcast. Today's guest is someone I first heard about several years ago on Tyler Cowen's podcast conversations with Tyler, one of my favorite podcast free shout out right there.

And I've read many of her articles. She's written some great stuff on parenting, some great stuff on ancient philosophers. But it was actually my dear friend and former research assistant, Christo, who recommended that I have her on and I reached out and I was very excited that she said yes, because Agnes Cald is a fascinating modern philosopher.

Well, she's I think one of the most public proponents and popularizers as if he needed help, but he does of the one and only Socrates, the Godfather of the Stoics, if you will.

She's an associate professor of philosophy at the University of Chicago. She specializes in ancient philosophy and ethics. She's written everywhere you could possibly imagine, including the New York Times.

She wrote a book called on anger as it happens, Senica also wrote a book with the same title. So you can imagine that this deals quite a bit with Senica in his thinking. She also wrote aspirations, the agency of becoming about that idea of ambition and drive another important topic.

Agnes has a PhD from the University of California, Berkeley.

And just an all around fascinating person, you can tell she thinks differently, but she has such a deep relationship with these philosophers, particularly Socrates and his dialogues, which we nerd out about in depth in this episode that she just brings them to life and but brings them to life in a way that I try to do with my work on the Stoics, which is bring them to life in a way that can help people in their actual lives.

I think towards the end we talk about how to teach her kids philosophy, which is something I'm thinking about obviously more than ever now as a parent and something I try to do in my newest book, the boy who would be king.

But it's a great episode with Agnes. Please check it out. She's a fascinating thinker and I so enjoy this conversation and I think you will as well.

I was I thought maybe we would start with a favorite of yours and a favorite of the Stoics.

The the the the one and only Socrates.

Tell me how Socrates comes into your life.

He comes into my life in a lot of ways. I guess the main one is that he's kind of my role model. So I think that Socrates like is instantiates philosophy.

He like he symbolizes philosophy in my mind when I think of like what it is to be philosophical. I think of Socrates.

That's the simplest answer I can say more but.

No, no, that please, please do say more. How does he come into your life? Do you remember when you encountered him for the first time?

Yes. So I read the Republic in high school, but it actually I didn't like it that much.

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