They didn't break that, but they have pretty good access to those people.

She actually, her image, she subconsciously mocks that lineage.

So that's happening?

Okay.

It seems like an incredible story here on many fronts.

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I think it's pretty fair to say that not many of us had heard much about Antifa before the

protests in Charlottesville,

or it certainly wasn't a household name by any stretch.

Antifa, which derives from anti-fascist, is a small faction of leftists who are willing to use

violence when necessary to confront their opponents. They're the people that Trump was talking

about when he referred to violence on many

sides, although at Charlottesville, only one side rammed a car into a crowd and killed someone.

Still, the notion that violence can be legitimate, even for a good cause, has a lot of people on the

left and on the right very upset. And Antifa has been accused of inciting violence in Berkeley and elsewhere.

One of the best ways to get a handle on what the movement means is a new book by Mark Bray called

Antifa, the anti-fascist handbook.

I spoke with Mark Bray last week.

One point you make is that the vast majority of Antifa tactics are nonviolent. Can you explain what some of those tactics are? Certainly. We really, we don't see them much. Right. Well, that's part of the issue, right? Is you literally don't see them because a lot of these groups are very secretive about what they do. So certainly a lot of it is essentially thankless drudgery of monitoring

white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups on multiple media platforms, trying to figure out who their

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