Hi, this is against everyone with Connor Abeeb.

Friends, this is the sixth episode in a series of episodes on science and how scientific concepts intersect with our lives in surprising ways.

I didn't know that I was going to be doing this many episodes on the topic, so that's a surprise to me, but I've been having a lot of fun doing it.

Beyond fun, I've been very provoked in exciting and provocative ways, and I hope you have two.

These episodes have included episode 262, for instance, where I talk with nature and culture philosopher, Erica Berry, about what wolves can teach us about being human.

And the latest episode, before this one with Pre-Dragues the Jevich, about the radical potential of symbiosis.

A huge component of my understanding of science comes from the tradition of naturalists and

organismic biologists. That is, people intent on seeing organisms and ecology's whole,

while at the same time examining their own responses to them as part of the data. So this

tradition stretches back probably before Gerta,

but at least to Johann Wolfgang von Gerta and Alexander von Humboldt,

and stretches right into our own time with my teachers, Lynn Margles and Craig Holdridge,

among others. Rather than considering the human being, the feelings and thoughts that arise from

scientific observation as just garbage, litter, clutter that get in the way of observing

what's real, these thinkers have all considered subject

and object in relationship to each other. As a result, in varying degrees, these scientists and thinkers

are and were much more receptive to the importance of visual art, literature, poetry, philosophy, and the spirit

as something that can inform, amplify, instruct, and direct scientific inquiry, and as intersecting

with the pictures science gives to us.

Illuminating wisdom, including the wisdom in the best offerings of science,

emerges between the poles of truth and love.

Truth, love, and wisdom.

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