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Against Everyone with Conner Habib

AEWCH 169: DAVID WENGROW or ARCHAEOLOGY AGAINST THE STATE

Against Everyone with Conner Habib

Against Everyone With Conner Habib

Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality

4.8679 Ratings

🗓️ 9 November 2021

⏱️ 96 minutes

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Summary

I talk with archaeologist and co-author (with AEWCH 99 guest, David Graeber) of The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity, David Wengrow!

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Against Everyone with Connor Habib, a podcast featuring my conversations with countercultural figures and presenting complex, spiritual, philosophical, and political ideas in an engaging and accessible way.

0:12.4

Way back on the very first episode of this show, I quoted the writer G.K. Chesterton, who wrote,

0:20.8

The vision is always a fact. It is the reality that is often a fraud.

0:26.5

Now, Chesterton went on to speak about liberalism and liberals after that passage,

0:32.8

but I thought, what a twist and a twist that's needed in our thinking today, when radical visions aren't just

0:43.3

something that we should like to do, but are actually urgently required. The vision is condemned

0:52.8

by the realists.

0:55.3

Part of that condemnation is that visions are often, and visionaries are often regarded as dreams and dreamers,

1:03.5

and also that dreams are regarded as just sort of whimsical imaginations as nothing.

1:10.8

I've spent so much time on this show presenting a non-materialist theory and version and analysis of reality.

1:19.6

And I'm seeing that because, you know, I've tried to show that the dream, the vision, the imaginary are not nothing,

1:30.6

that actually they can be the foundation for the way we do politics, for the way we do economics,

1:37.4

and for the way we do culture.

1:39.4

But it's worth repeating here and maybe elaborating that what some regard as dreams, i.e. visions,

1:47.0

others regard as reality.

1:49.0

And the line between dream and reality is so often drawn by the exclusivity of the myths we live by.

1:56.0

What do I mean by that? Well, other cultures, these cultures that are not so-called Western culture, have different

2:05.8

ideas, different concepts, and even different perceptions of where reality ends and the dream

2:14.5

begins, if there is that line at all. Anthropologists and archaeologists are

2:20.7

often the closest we get in academia and expert-based Western culture to say there's more than one way to live,

2:28.3

there's more than one way to perceive reality, to perceive visions, and to perceive dreams.

2:35.0

And they're the best at saying in that, you know, aspect or that corner of the world,

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