Hi, this is Against Everyone with Connor Habib, a weekly podcast featuring my conversations with

countercultural figures and presenting complex, philosophical, spiritual, and political ideas in an

engaging and accessible way. Well, friends, this global crisis is presenting us with the

undeniable evidence of the failure of our global economy and monetary system.

And as we emerge from this crisis, I think that there's a tremendous opportunity to invent the economy.

Why? Because that awareness of its failure has risen up in so many people's consciousness.

And I really wanted to use the show to address what

we should do, what questions we should be asking, and where we should be turning our attention.

So I invited two of the most profound economic thinkers I know, John Bloom and Connor McCabe, and partially I did it just to put

these two brilliant people in conversations with each other. John is the organizational

leader of RSF Social Finance, which is an organization that seeks to transform our

relationship to money on individual communal and global levels. He's the author of two

books inhabiting interdependence,

being in the next economy, and the genius of money, essays and interviews, reimagining the

financial world. And he's also the General Secretary of the Anthroposophical Society of

America. Connor, you may remember from one of my very favorite episodes of the show, against

everyone with Connor, B. Bbe 76, where we talked about the creation of money and what it means

and what it actually is.

And he's also the author of Money and Book Sins of the Father, tracing the decisions that

shaped the Irish economy.

Rather than talk about money as the root of all evil, we talk about money as a creative tool.

We talk about it as a spiritual technology.

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