Brian Merritt on WNYC, and one of the things we're doing here during the spring membership drive is revisiting some of the short segments that we often do at the end of the show that we've decided

could use some more time. We'll kick this off now with a return visit from Jody Cantor. Her day job

is investigative reporter for the New York Times. She uncovered those secret Supreme Court

memos about their so-called shadow docket consequential rulings they make without much explanation or without

really being asked to in some cases. But her new book was more the focus of that short segment.

And just in time for graduation season, the book is called How to Start Discovering Your Life's Work.

So Jody, thanks for a follow-up segment with us today. Welcome back to WNYC.

It's great to be with you and let's go WNYC. Thank you. And listeners, if anyone has a question relevant to

how to start discovering your life's work, feel free at 212-433. WNYC, call a text, 212, 433-9-6-92.

You know, one thing I didn't get to the first time around was simply to ask about the word discovering in your title.

You could have said choosing your life's work or deciding on your life's work, but you use the word discovering.

Why discovering your life's work in the subtitle of the book?

Because the question of this book is what should young people actually do in this environment?

We all know the obstacles. We've all seen the negative news, the fear about AI and entry-level work,

but they still need to start their life's work,

and I want to encourage them to fight for their hopes and dreams. And I think the process of finding your life's work is a process of discovery. I mean, Brian, I'm very curious to know what you thought you

were going to do when you were graduating from college. But for most of us, it's not the thing we thought

we were going to do. It involves some struggle. And it can be tempting now to try to avoid struggle

because it's a chaotic, scary environment. But struggle is how we

discover ourselves. Before we get to listeners, I'm curious, what did like, if we look at 22-year-old

Brian Lerrer, what did he want to do? Well, I actually did want to work in radio, and I had an interest

in both news and music programming. But I guess my little

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