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The Rich Roll Podcast

Addiction & Depression: Johann Hari On Lost Connections

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.812.9K Ratings

🗓️ 15 January 2019

⏱️ 130 minutes

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Summary

“The opposite of addiction isn't sobriety. It's connection.” Johann Hari Why are we seeing unprecedented rates of depressions? What's behind our current opioid epidemic? And what can be done about it? Journalist and author Johann Hari suggests that everything we think we know about addiction and depression is wrong. Johann has written for The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, and many other outlets. He was named ‘Newspaper Journalist of the Year' by Amnesty International UK and his TED Talk, aptly titled “Everything You Think You Know About Addiction Is Wrong”, was viral hit, with over 25 million views. Pertinent to today's discussion, Johann is the author of Chasing The Scream*, which chronicles his 3-year investigation and research into the war on drugs and the nature of addiction. And his more recent book, Lost Connections* is a compelling deep dive into the nature of depression, its underlying causes and unexpected solutions. As many of you know, addiction and mental health are subjects of great personal importance. Better understanding that nature of these conditions is the motivating force behind this conversation, which is is everything I hoped it would be. This is an incredibly powerful, educational — and at times controversial — exploration into what drives these malignancies, why they are so difficult to overcome, and how a new approach can plot a more hopeful and solution-based course forward. Many see Johann’s ideas as radical. And although I don't entirely agree with everything Johann prescribes, there is great wisdom in much of his findings. If you suffer from addiction or depression, this is a must listen. If you don't, chances are someone you care for does. This conversation can provide the insight and tools for better understanding the struggle — because mental health truly impacts everyone. For the visually inclined, you can watch our entire conversation on YouTube at bit.ly/johannhari416 and the podcast is now available on Spotify. Peace + Plants, Rich Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Well, good job, pat on the back.

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Super nutritious, delicious, but also somewhat limited in terms of gut health, a limitation

0:13.7

easily resolved by working a prebiotic and probiotic supplement into your daily routine.

0:20.8

But here's the thing, not all probiotics are created equal.

0:24.8

In fact, because the supplement world is so unregulated, the vast majority of them are

0:30.9

actually surprisingly deficient or sometimes even downright ineffective.

0:35.6

But I have found a great evidence-backed pre- and probiotic.

0:40.0

It's called seed.

0:41.4

It's a company stewarding the future of how we will use bacteria to restore and sustain

0:48.0

human and planetary health.

0:49.7

And they've got this amazing signature product.

0:52.4

It's called the DSO-1 daily symbiotic and it combines 24 clinically verified and naturally

0:58.4

occurring probiotic strains with plant-based prebiotics formulated for digestive, gut immune,

1:05.5

and additional systemic benefits.

1:07.6

It's all delivered to you in a 2-in-1 Viacap delivery technology that protects against stomach

1:14.0

acid and digestion enzymes, which basically means the live probiotics will actually make

1:19.9

it to the end of the small intestine for delivery into the colon through digestion.

1:25.3

The prebiotic outer capsule is made from Indian pomegranate and serves as this elegant barrier

1:30.7

to oxygen, moisture, and heat, which makes for a convenient storage and no refrigeration

1:36.0

necessary.

1:37.4

So this is all a long way of saying that there is a lot of complicated science behind

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