That's the only way I get back into like sort of shape is I have to put weights next to my bed

That's literally what I'll do do. Do you go to sleep in your gym clothes too? No, no, no, no, no

I could you do you this is actually a myth you don't need gym clothes to work out this is a

complete fallacy you can do it naked it works just as well in fact it makes me feel like

I'm like in like ancient Greece or something. Yeah there's like a moment where you lift

a weight above your head and you're completely naked and you're just like yes I am

Spartacus. This is what now?

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or wherever you get your podcast. It's fun having you. Yeah, man. I'm really happy to have you here because like, like I, I love how you think, but then I also love the science behind how you think.

Some people know your books or your TED Talks, but what I've noticed is some people know you as like they think of you as a researcher.

They go that's what that guy does.

And then some people think of you as as really a social scientist and a psychologist and somebody who looks at human interactions, how would you define what you actually do?

I mean I guess I'd say I'm an organizational psychologist.

And I'm interested in how we can improve the quality of our lives at work and beyond.

Is it just like business organizations or any...

Like how big does an organization get before it's no longer an organization?

I think if it's fewer than two people it's definitely not an organization.

So it's the Lord's rules basically.

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