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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Actually the Government Shut Down Months Ago

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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🗓️ 2 October 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Donald Trump’s theory of a government shutdown was that it would give him more power to fire federal employees, and cut benefits and healthcare. Of course, if you claim to be an all-powerful executive, aren’t people going to conclude that the shutdown is your fault? Guest: David Dayen, executive editor of the American Prospect. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I called up the American prospects David Dayan yesterday because I had this question gnawing at me.

0:12.4

As I watched the government sputter to a close on Tuesday, the whole project felt off.

0:18.1

More like a whimper than a bang, which was weird because this show has been anticipating

0:23.7

a government shutdown for weeks. And I knew that when I asked David why I was feeling this way,

0:30.6

he'd have an answer for me. Well, because we've really been in kind of a slow motion shutdown

0:37.4

for quite a while now.

0:40.3

What David means here is that the Trump administration has been sending government employees

0:46.3

home for months, clawing back federal funding, too. A shutdown is what happens when

0:53.0

congressionally appropriated funds run out.

0:56.2

But the truth is, Congress has been sitting on the sidelines of appropriations all year.

1:02.4

So the Trump administration has withheld something like if we believe the calculations of the Senate and House Appropriations Committee's Democratic staffs,

1:14.9

$410 billion in funding, that, just to give you the numbers, is close to half of all non-defense discretionary spending in the last fiscal year.

1:30.8

The president has been spending on what he likes and not spending on what he doesn't like. And that's kind of what happens in a government

1:37.5

shutdown. And so that's why I think it feels like nothing has fundamentally changed.

1:45.0

Different reporters have explained the cognitive dissonance of this moment in their own terms.

1:51.3

Some have attributed the strangeness to which party seems most committed to pulling the federal plug.

1:58.5

Unlike in previous shutdowns, Democrats are the ones who withheld their votes

2:03.6

and effectively turned out the lights. But David says that framing is not quite fair.

2:10.3

The president now bolstered by the Supreme Court has the ability to pick and choose what he wants to

2:17.3

spend. So, you know, the idea that

2:20.2

there's even government funding at all rather than a government suggestion of funding that then

2:27.4

the emperor king decides, yes, I will, I will send that funding out or no, I won't, is quite ridiculous. That is the reality of this

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