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Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

Actor Michael Chernus on Becoming Gacy—and Why It Wasn’t What You Think

Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

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3.3907 Ratings

🗓️ 10 October 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

For decades, the story of John Wayne Gacy has been sensationalized, flattened into caricature, and spun into horror tropes. But in Peacock’s new limited series Devil in Disguise: John Wayne Gacy, that mask is coming off—and in this interview, we go behind the scenes with the team responsible for flipping the true crime genre on its head.

Joining us are series showrunner and executive producer Patrick McManus, actor Michael Chernus—who portrays Gacy with terrifying subtlety—and criminal defense attorney Bob Motta, whose father was on Gacy’s original legal team. Together, we dissect how the show avoids glorifying the killer and instead places the focus exactly where it belongs: on the victims, their families, and the systemic failures that allowed Gacy to operate in plain sight.

This isn’t a glorified biopic. There are no salacious murder scenes. No glamorizing evil. What you get is a chilling, grounded retelling that treats its subject matter—and its audience—with respect.

We also dig into what it takes to play a predator without slipping into caricature, what it’s like to listen to Gacy’s original defense tapes, and why true crime needs to evolve beyond its fascination with monsters and lean into the wreckage they leave behind.

If you care about accuracy, nuance, and storytelling with a conscience, this episode is essential.

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0:00.0

is Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske.

0:02.6

Here now, Tony Bruske.

0:05.1

Today, we are digging into a case that has been dissected, dramatized, and distorted for decades.

0:12.4

John Wayne Gacy.

0:14.2

But this time, it's a little different.

0:15.6

Peacock's new series, Devil in Disguise, John Wayne Gacy.

0:18.3

It strips back the folklore and gets to the core of what really

0:23.1

happened, how a man with 33 confirmed victims was able to operate in plain sight for years.

0:29.6

To do that, we are joined by series showrunner and executive producer Patrick McManus, actor Michael

0:35.9

Churness, who plays John himself, and attorney Bob Mata,

0:40.8

whose father was actually part of Gacy's original defense team.

0:44.4

And I want to set some ground rules for everybody right away.

0:47.1

We are going to have to all speak like your character did Michael in the show with the with the the kind of northern oh yeah folksy

0:56.8

accent through the the duration of this so um get ready to step back into it everybody i i

1:02.4

got it out of me after leaving wisconsin but i can jive back in is everybody everybody

1:07.6

good with that are we good with it okay Okay. All right. Yeah, you know,

1:12.1

let's start here. Obviously, this is, the series is coming out on Peacock. May already be out by the time

1:19.2

you're watching this based on the docu series. Patrick, I want to start with you. What made you think,

1:27.2

hey, let's take the John Wayne Gasey story and let's

1:29.9

tell it in a way that, that no one's done thus far. Well, to be honest, that was the, first of all,

1:36.6

thank you so much for having us. And there's a reason why I'm a writer, so I will not be trying to do

1:40.6

the accent. Oh, wait. You look, I started as an actor and someone made it very clear I should be a writer.

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