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Woman's Hour

Actor Anya Taylor-Joy, Rosie Duffield MP, Amber Heard and Johnny Depp, Celia Paul and Gwen John

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 12 April 2022

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

The debate over sex and gender filters through to many areas of our lives today whether its about women-only spaces, trans athletes competing in sporting events or our use of language to define what a woman is. It’s now being put centre stage of the local elections next month by a new campaign called "Respect my Sex if you want my X”. The campaign run by Women Uniting UK is urging voters – both men and women - to quiz prospective candidates canvassing on the doorstep with questions like “What is a woman?” or “What is more important, sex or gender?” The Labour MP Rosie Duffield talks about her support for the group and why she believes the issue could have an impact next month as well as on the wider political landscape. The sequel to Johnny Depp and ex-wife Amber Heard's bitter legal battle is coming to America. - Virginia to be more precise. After losing the first round - a libel trial set in the UK - Depp, is suing Heard, for $50m (£38m) over a piece she wrote in The Washington Post in which she claimed to be a victim of domestic abuse. She is suing back, with a $100m counterclaim against him. His legal team successfully argued that the trial should be held in Virginia - home to two Washington Post offices and where the paper is physically published. It's expected to last up to seven weeks and will in many ways be a rerun of the London trial, exposing lurid details about their relationship, with accusations of abuse aimed at both sides. BBC Media and Arts Correspondent, David Sillito joins Woman's Hour standing outside Fairfax County Circuit Court in Virginia. Anya Taylor-Joy's decision to leave school at 16 to pursue a career in acting has certainly paid off. In 2020, in the first month of its release – a staggering sixty-two million households watched her play chess prodigy Beth Harmon in the Netflix mini-series 'The Queen’s Gambit'. More recently, you may have seen her play Gina Gray in the final series of 'Peaky Blinders'. She discusses her latest film – The Northman - a brutal and bloody viking revenge epic. The artist Celia Paul currently has an exhibition at the Victoria Miro Gallery in London, called Memory and Desire, and her latest book is called “Letters to Gwen John”. Gwen John was a Welsh artist who worked in France for most of her career. Her brother Augustus John was more famous during her lifetime, but her beautiful paintings, mainly of female sitters, often reading in domestic settings, have gained wider attention since her death. Celia Paul shares much in common with Gwen John: both studied at the Slade, and both were models and lovers of older artists - Gwen had a relationship with Auguste Rodin and Celia with Lucian Freud. Celia joins Emma. Presenter: Emma Barnett Producer: Kirsty Starkey Interviewed Guest: Rosie Duffield Interviewed Guest: David Sillito Interviewed Guest: Anya Taylor-Joy Interviewed Guest: Celia Paul

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:05.3

Hello, I'm Emma Barnett and welcome to Woman's Hour from BBC Radio 4.

0:10.4

Good morning and welcome to the programme.

0:12.6

Now most of the newspapers and a lot of social media is a wash with photos from a boozy Sunday

0:17.3

lunch hosted by J.K. Rowling this weekend, just gone.

0:20.5

The Harry Potter author brought together a particular group of feminists and activists

0:24.5

as a new campaign is launched called Respect My Sex, ahead of the local elections.

0:30.0

The Women at the Lunch, which included Professor Kathleen Stock, who resigned from Sussex University

0:34.7

after a campaign against her views on gender and sex.

0:39.0

And also the campaign at Maya Forstata, who won, I'm sure some of you will remember, the

0:42.9

first part of a case, which means that gender-critical views are a protected belief under the Equality

0:48.0

Act, are united over what they think defines a woman in a time when women's and trans rights

0:54.0

are being debated.

0:55.0

Well, today I'm joined by someone else, who was at that lunch, the Labour MP Rosie Duffield,

1:00.2

who has come into conflict with her own party's policies on this issue.

1:04.7

The local elections are coming up, of course, on May the 5th, and this new cross-party campaign

1:09.3

called Respect My Sex if you want my ex, set up by women's rights groups, is urging

1:15.0

you, as voters, to ask several key questions, the top being, what is a woman, followed

1:20.8

by what is more important, sex or gender, followed by asking a candidate, as and when

1:26.6

you may meet them if you do, if they support single, single sex spaces.

1:32.0

Are those questions any of the ones that you would ask a local candidate?

1:35.2

That's what I wanted to ask you today, a question about a set of questions.

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