By the way, I don't even like the word ally that much.

It has been driving me mad that word.

A lot of men are policed into conformist silence.

Men are afraid of other men.

Hello, I'm Julie Bindle, and this is Action Men,

a series in which I have interesting conversations

with men that actually get up off their backsides and contribute to the work that feminists are doing

to prevent rape, domestic violence and challenge pornography and the sex trade.

Today I'm speaking with Jackson Cats, who has a long and fine reputation

of tackling violence against women. And Jackson's TED talk on these issues has been watched by

five and a half million people worldwide. Jackson, hi, how are you doing?

I'm doing great. It's great to be with you, Julie.

I think that you were one of the very first men in North America, definitely, that I met that was doing the work that really took the issue forward in terms of education for boys and men,

and also speaking very openly and honestly about

pornography in the sex trade.

Interestingly, you say that you noticed around you the way that women's lives were curtailed

and that the feminist activism on campus was pointing that out, one of the aspects being that no attention was paid to poor street lighting or campus lighting or whatever.

But why did you engage with that?

Because most men don't.

So I would say most men know fine well that this is a men's issue that men cause

these problems, that men perpetrate these sex crimes. But what made you decide to invest in this?

Well, one thing is I wanted to change the world, right? I was one of these young men who, young

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