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The Times Tech Podcast

Academia.edu's Richard Price: "The end of the paywall"

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Technology, Business Analysis, Silicon Valley, Interviews, Tech, News, Artificial Intelligence, Ai, Business, Business News

4.8676 Ratings

🗓️ 8 February 2019

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Richard Price, founder of Academia.edu, yo talk about how academic publishing works today (4:00), doing to publishing what Napster did to music (6:15) starting out with banana cakes (7:20), raising his first round of money (11:45), going from 50 sign-ups-a-day to 72m users (12:30), getting to 20m research papers uploaded (14:15), taking on a centuries-old business model (15:45), the importance of prestige (19:55), quality control (21:05), the last bastion in publishing untouched by the Internet (25:30), and bankrolling free access with a core of subscribers (28:15). PLUS: Jeffery Mackie-Mason, head librarian at the University of California, comes on to talk about his showdown with Elsevier over the publisher’s “extortionary” prices (32:10), how subscription rates have soared (35:05), unleashing scientific progress (37:15), playing hardball (39:00), how publishing giants have defended their turf (40:45), reaching a tipping point (42:45), the publishers beginning to break ranks (46:10), and the key to the traditional players’ power (47:15).

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0:00.0

Yo, technology.

0:03.0

What is it all about?

0:04.5

I would say that more and more there's a consensus emerging,

0:07.4

the open access is the way to go.

0:09.7

The relatively soon all the papers will be freely accessible.

0:13.2

There's so much demand from the academics and the funding agencies about that

0:17.6

that I think that it's pretty hard to see a world where the pay will possess and survives.

0:22.4

Really dramatically affecting the value of what the public is paying for.

0:27.3

The public is paying for most of the research, but most people can't actually read the results

0:31.8

of that research.

0:45.1

Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley, your weekly dispatch from behind the scenes and inside the minds of the top people in tech. We're doing something a little bit different this week.

0:48.2

We're going to go dive into a world that most of you probably don't think about, but it is actually quite important to the world as we know it.

0:57.0

And that world is academic publishing.

1:01.0

So, a quick summary.

1:03.0

There's about 25,000 journals for scientists, researchers, professors, etc.

1:09.0

published papers on everything that they're working on from

1:11.8

climate change, cancer research, and everything in between.

1:15.1

These journals are basically the top of the funnel.

1:18.2

They're the broadcast medium for scientists who get the word out on what they're working on,

1:23.1

the advances they've made, kind of like a first link in a chain that others will build on, and then

1:28.6

eventually leading to something quite fabulous that we will all benefit from. But what you may not

1:34.3

know is that the industry is controlled by a very small handful of companies, the biggest of which

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