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Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd and this is the Chuck Todd cast.

My guest today is Senator Pat Tumey. He's a Republican from Pennsylvania.

He's served in the Senate since 2011. He's president of the Club for Growth from 2005 to 2009.

And before that, he served as a member of Congress from the Lehigh Valley for three terms.

In October 2020, Tumey announced that he was retiring, would not seek another term in 2022,

saying that his decision was personal and that he planned to return to the private sector.

He had toyed with the idea of a two-term limit anyway and he ended up deciding not to seek a third term.

We want to note that we recorded this podcast, our exit interview, you will with him.

Before Tuesday's primary election in Pennsylvania,

so Senator Tumey, welcome to the Todd cast.

Nice round, I'm going to check. So let me start with a question that

I know I've never asked you on the television shows.

Do you remember the first time you decided to run for office?

Well, I don't remember the precise moment.

Sure. But the first thing I did actually in any kind of public office was

I ran for and was elected to a commission to rewrite the charter for the city government

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