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The Daily

‘Absolutely No Mercy’

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 10 December 2019

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

A trove of private government documents offers an unprecedented look inside China’s highly organized crackdown on Uighur Muslims — revealing Beijing’s systematic detention of as many as one million people in camps and prisons over the past three years. In one speech, China’s president ordered his subordinates to show prisoners in Xinjiang “absolutely no mercy.” Guest: Paul Mozur, a technology reporter for The New York Times based in Shanghai. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Background reading:In one of the biggest leaks of the last half-century, The Times obtained more than 400 pages of internal documents revealing the meticulous planning that has gone into the Chinese government’s crackdown on ethnic minorities.Yesterday we followed our correspondent into the heart of Xinjiang, where one woman risked her life to talk about her experience in China’s system of torture and surveillance.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barrow. This is The Daily.

0:09.3

Today, a secret trove of government documents offers an unprecedented look inside China's

0:17.2

highly organized crackdown on Uighur Muslims. In one of them, China's president orders his

0:25.2

subordinates to show quote, absolutely no mercy. It's Tuesday, December 10th.

0:38.4

On out the New York Times, as obtained leaked Chinese government documents, it says,

0:42.4

revealed new details about the crackdown on Muslim Uighurs in the Xinjiang region.

0:47.5

They include instructions to local authorities.

0:49.2

Paul Moser, tell me about these leaked documents from inside the Chinese government.

0:54.2

Troves of classified documents reportedly leaked from within China's Communist Party.

1:00.8

So the thing you have to understand is China is one of the most powerful countries in the world,

1:05.6

but we know very little about the top politics and how the country works in so many ways. It's a

1:11.2

great secret. You have the Chinese Communist Party which kind of rules over the country,

1:16.7

but doesn't really let anybody get behind the curtain to understand what's going on.

1:21.6

And so this leak, you just don't see this kind of thing happen. So somebody took a tremendous risk

1:32.5

in making these documents available to the Times. Yes, untold risk not just to themselves,

1:37.9

to their family, to their friends.

1:42.6

And beyond the unusualness of the scale of this leak, what is significant about the fact that

1:48.2

this is coming directly from the government? So prior to this, the best proof we had of what

1:54.4

was happening was mostly anecdotal. So you would talk to relatives of people who had been

1:59.8

imprisoned, like, for instance, Faircat, and maybe you'd be able to talk to somebody like his

2:04.0

mother who had been through the system. But you had no real hard proof. And Beijing used that to

2:10.4

its benefit to basically come up with a very different version of reality, one in which this was

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