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About that Nazi Next Door

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🗓️ 27 November 2017

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

The New York Times' profile of a Nazi last weekend set Twitter on fire (and not in a good way). Bob speaks with Buzzfeed's Charlie Warzel about what the story got wrong.

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0:00.0

On Saturday, the New York Times published a story titled A Voice of Hate in America's Heartland.

0:06.5

It was a profile of Tony Haveter, a 29-year-old Ohio welder, who would be rightfully described as nondescript if he weren't a hate-spewing white nationalist.

0:18.0

The piece by Richard Fawcett aimed not to unmask a scoundrel, but to muse on the,

0:24.6

at least superficially unremarkable lifestyle of the Nazi next door. I found the story terrifying.

0:32.1

Many others felt it was a disgrace on the grounds of normalizing and even glorifying hate.

0:39.1

The outcry provoked a reaction from the Times which offered regret about hurt feelings,

0:44.5

but defended the journalism. Although, as Fawcett himself confessed in an accompanying first-person

0:50.9

piece to his profile, it offered no insight into how Haveter became what he became.

0:57.4

Among the critics was BuzzFeed's Charlie Worsell, who thinks the Times piece failed to adequately

1:03.8

contextualize the ravings of an avowed Nazi. Charlie, welcome back to OTM. Thank you for having me.

1:10.5

So The Times puts out this feature by

1:12.6

Richard Fawcett on the Nazi next door, Tony Hovatter. And in about 10 seconds, Twitter blows up

1:22.2

with outrage. Before we discuss the merits Fawcett's journalism and your follow-up, why the freak out?

1:31.4

I think that there's a real sensitivity right now towards the coverage of and the attention,

1:38.8

the amount of attention focused on far-right extremists. I think a lot of people feel that there is a disproportionate amount of

1:46.7

coverage that doesn't interrogate them or label them properly or have enough outrage about them.

1:53.8

There seems to be a desire on sort of behalf of the media policeman of Twitter when you write

1:59.3

about a far-right extremist or a neo-Nazi to express outrage

2:04.0

in every sentence or every paragraph or, you know, to make sure in all caps to say, this is not

2:09.1

normal. Well, let's talk about error, if there was any. You certainly felt that Fawcett's reporting

2:15.8

was lacking in at least one major area.

2:19.4

Yeah, the thing that struck me, not just reading the piece, but also reading the follow-up that Fawcett wrote himself about the behind the scenes of the story, was that he set out to answer a question that's pretty admirable, which is how does a seemingly normal young man

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