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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

Abolishing Prisons with Mariame Kaba

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

MS NOW, Chris Hayes

News, Versant Media, Versant, Ms Now, Nbcnews, Why Is This Happening?, The Chris Hayes Podcast, Chris Hayes, Politics, Government, Society & Culture, Msnbc, Withpod

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2019

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

What if we just got rid of prisons? The United States is the epicenter of mass incarceration – but exactly what is it we hope to get out of putting people in prisons? And whatever your answer is to that – is it working? It’s worthwhile to stop and interrogate our intentions about incarceration and whether it enacts justice or instead satisfies some urge to punish. Prison abolitionist Mariame Kaba wants us to explore some truly radical notions that force us to inspect those instincts towards punishment. Hear her dismantle what she calls the current "criminal punishment system" and instead employ the ideology of restorative justice. Email us at [email protected] Tweet using #WITHpod Read more at nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening RELATED: The Color Complex by Kathy Russel, Midge Wilson, and Ronald Hall Locking Up Our Own by James Forman Jr. Circles and Ciphers Project NIA

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0:00.0

The craziest thing is that I think sometimes white people,

0:02.6

particularly in these situations,

0:04.0

they've got this crazy mix in their head of racialized suspicion.

0:08.1

And then white liberal guilt,

0:09.2

yes, where they don't want to say a thing because then it's like,

0:12.6

oh, I'm a suspicious white person or racist, but then they call the cops.

0:16.9

And by calling the cops, you've, like, you've thrown a grenade,

0:20.1

you've thrown a grenade and you didn't need to.

0:25.5

Hello, and welcome to why is this happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

0:30.6

We've been living through a period recently where two things are happening simultaneously.

0:35.3

I think they're sort of interestingly, intentionally, each other.

0:39.0

One is that, and this is true of me on my show.

0:42.6

So I want to just be very clear.

0:45.0

Liberals have come to see prosecutors as important figures.

0:53.7

And maybe not come to them.

0:55.0

Maybe they always did.

0:55.7

But the idea of the kind of savior prosecutor or the valiant prosecutor

1:00.6

who's going to catch powerful people in the midst of lawlessness

1:05.4

is something that has been hanging over our heads during the 22 months of our

1:09.0

mother. And you hear all the time, this guy's a prosecutor's prosecutor.

1:11.5

He's an amazing prosecutor.

1:12.8

And the idea being that a real important liberal ideal here,

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