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The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Abigail Shrier On Therapy For Kids

The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Andrew Sullivan

Politics, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.6836 Ratings

🗓️ 15 March 2024

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit andrewsullivan.substack.com

Abigail is an independent journalist and author. Her first book, Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters, was a bestseller, and her new book is a bestseller even the NYT has had to recognize eventually. It’s called Bad Therapy: Why The Kids Aren’t Growing Up. She also has a substack, The Truth Fairy. Check it out.

For two clips of our convo — on the news of UK restricting puberty blockers, and the harm that therapy can do to normal kids — pop over to our YouTube page. Other topics: the brittle bones and teeth-splitting that result from puberty blockers; their effect on IQ; when blockers are necessary; the suicide canard with trans kids; the radio silence around Bostock; how 40 percent of kids are in some form of therapy — “awash in psychopathology”; kids publicizing their mental health on social media; How to Talk So Kids Will Listen; the work of Haim Ginott; “neurotic hovering parents” who rarely correct bad behavior; parents giving up authority; dysregulated kids; Abigail’s upbringing; my tumultuous childhood; Gabor Maté; drug addiction and childhood trauma; iatrogenesis; smartphones; Covid; social emotional learning; why breathwork and mindfulness doesn’t work for kids; how SSRIs can kill adolescent sex drive as it’s developing; Richard Bing’s study on convicts and PTSD; the benefits of therapy for adults; psychotherapy as a literary practice; how therapy has filled the void of religion; kids rushing to become “LGBTQ” because it’s valorized; gay kids today are more accepted but more miserable; the parents who use their trans kids as props; the benefits of same-sex schools; the spike in days off for mental health; and the current cover-story by Andrea Long Chu.

Browse the Dishcast archive for an episode you might enjoy (the first 102 are free in their entirety — subscribe to get everything else). Coming up: Richard Dawkins on religion, Johann Hari on weight-loss drugs, Adam Moss on the artistic process, and George Will on Trump and conservatism. Please send any guest recs, dissents, and other pod comments to [email protected].

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0:00.0

The Hi there. Welcome to another dishcast. This is a very special because we have a special guest in studio.

0:36.2

And his name is Truman.

0:37.9

He's seven months old.

0:39.8

He's some sort of variety of God knows what.

0:42.8

He looks a bit like a...

0:45.3

They call it Brindle, right?

0:47.0

The coat.

0:47.9

And he looks a bit...

0:48.7

He's a bit corgi-shaped.

0:50.9

He also has a really...

0:52.2

When he looked right at him, and this I suddenly occurred to me the other day,

0:55.0

he looks like one of those George Booth dogs, you know, from the New Yorker cartoons,

1:00.0

but he has pricked up and his tongue hanging out, and he looks generally relatively menacing, but eccentric.

1:08.2

And anyway, he's quite wonderful. We had a little incident this weekend when he managed to

1:14.9

get a lick of the plate on which I had just ground some weed, which led to an interesting day.

1:22.1

It was so for him. It wasn't that much, but he was, he was quite, had a certain amount of diarrhea,

1:29.9

and then had a really vivid dream.

1:31.4

But now he seems fine.

1:32.6

He's back to normal, thank God.

1:38.0

And I'm about to take him to the vet, which is why he's here, because the vet is not far away from the podcast studio.

1:40.1

And this is how I managed to do it all.

1:41.2

I want to let you know.

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