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🗓️ 17 June 2020
⏱️ 68 minutes
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The complexities surrounding conversations of racism today are numberless but the root of the solution is the two great commandments: love God and love your neighbor as yourself. On this week’s episode, we talk with Abe Mills and Stephen Jones, two black Latter-day Saints, about their experiences with racism within Church culture, the faith of those who came before them, and why they don’t hesitate to share their faith in Jesus Christ.
"Understanding what He did for us, it gives us hope, which we live in a world with a lot of people that have no hope or they’ve lost their hope—whether it’s hope in equality, hope in fairness, hope in whatever—they’ve lost their hope, but the gospel has taught us hope because we know what Jesus Christ did for us. It has taught us understanding because we know Christ was the example of understanding, and on top of that, it has taught us forgiveness, or how to forgive, in a time where forgiveness is needed greatly."
Show Notes
3:40- Who Is Your Neighbor?
9:15- Mourn with Those That Mourn
14:33- Personal Experiences with Racism
30:14- The Body of Christ
41:06- Being a Diverse Voice in the Church
48:27- Pioneers
56:20- Peace and Hope in Troubled Times
1:02:16- What Does it Mean to be “All In” the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
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0:00.0 | In a joint op-ed pinned by President Russell M. Nelson and leaders of the N. double ACP earlier this month, we read these words. |
0:09.5 | Unitedly, we declare that the answers to racism, prejudice, discrimination, and hate will not come from government or law enforcement alone. |
0:19.7 | Solutions will come as we open our hearts to those whose lives are different than our own. |
0:25.2 | As we work to build bonds of genuine friendship and as we see each other as the brothers and sisters we are, for we are all children of a loving God. |
0:35.7 | It is our hope that over the course of the 84 episodes we have recorded, this podcast has become a place for you to find peace and comfort in your efforts to follow Jesus Christ. |
0:48.2 | But what was described in this op-ed for many of us is the soul stretching work of stepping outside of our comfort zones and having difficult conversations. |
0:58.2 | It requires listening, seeking to understand a perspective that may be different than our own, and then looking inward to explore ways we can be better moving forward than we have been in the past. |
1:11.2 | So today, regardless of your race, your background, or your position surrounding these issues, please join us in an important conversation as Abe Mills and Stephen Jones share their experiences as black members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. |
1:29.2 | Stephen Jones is a native of Tallahassee, Florida. He is a comedian and actor who is perhaps best recognized for the iconic BYU Library parody of an old-spice commercial which has been viewed three and a half million times on YouTube. |
1:45.2 | Today, Jones is also a seminary teacher, a husband, and a father. |
1:51.2 | Abe Mills was born and raised in St. Louis, Missouri. He also gained recognition during his time at BYU where, in addition to playing on the football team, he performed as a BYU young ambassador and hosted a teen news program called Center Street. |
2:08.2 | He went on to be a member of Jericho Road, a singing group that performed Christian music. These days, you can join over half a million people in following Abe and his family on their YouTube channel, Sunshine Mafia. |
2:23.2 | This is All-In, an LDS living podcast where we ask the question, what does it really mean to be All-In, the gospel of Jesus Christ? |
2:34.2 | I'm Morgan Jones and I am so, so honored to have Abe Mills and Stephen Jones with me this evening. We're recording this at night. I guess I should say that. Gentlemen, welcome. |
2:46.2 | Thank you, Morgan. |
2:49.2 | I am just so, so grateful for you to and for your willingness to have the conversation that we're going to have on this episode. |
2:59.2 | We have been trying at LDS living and I am going to get emotional. We've been trying so hard to figure out the best ways to provide members of the church with good resources and things that will help them better understand. |
3:17.2 | What is happening in the world right now and specifically how we can be better brothers and sisters, all of us together. |
3:28.2 | So thank you both for being willing to do this. And as we start, I'm just going to dive right into this. |
3:36.2 | I am curious about what you wish the wider membership of our church knew about your experience as an African American Latter-day Saint. So I will let whoever would like to start, start us off. |
3:54.2 | So what I wish people knew that was just a wider membership of the church is kind of best to describe it in a story. |
4:02.2 | But before I do, let me just make it clear, like I consider myself to be black. But what's interesting is that if, you know, sometimes Caucasian members of the church, they'll just assume that I'm black. |
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