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Hello, and welcome to this special bonus extra episode of Slate's Audio Book Club.

I'm Katie Welthman, a staff writer here at Slate, and I am in the DC studio.

I'm joined by two very special guests today. The first

is a senior editor at Slate, Jeremy Stahl. He's calling in from the Golden State from California,

and he knows a lot about politics, so that will, that bodes well for our discussion, which we will

unveil in a second. um hi jeremy it's

really nice that you can join us hi katie i'm really happy to be doing this and our third panelist is

eva lou bell who is the general manager of slate um and a lawyer and in general a tactical genius also

that will bode well for our discussion.

Ava, it is great to have you here. I am so happy, really honored to be here. Thank you for the

tactical genius remark. I'm not sure that's at all true, but I'll live it on. You'll have a chance to

prove yourself. I will second tactical genius.

Oh, thanks, guys.

Great strategists in the field.

Before we get started, I'd like to do a quick program note, which is our official April

audiobook club will resume, obviously, at the beginning of the month in April, and we are

going to read Lincoln and

the Bardo by George Saunders. So please stay tuned and join us for that discussion. So we have convened

to talk about Sun Su's The Art of War. It's a pamphlet written more than 2,000 years ago,

possibly in the 6th century BCE, in China by Sun Tzu, who is a military scholar,

among other things. And we're going to see if we can apply any of this manifesto's lessons to

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