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This is above average intelligence, a production of the DSR Network.

Each week, host Mark Polymeropolis is joined by leading voices in the intelligence community

for expert analysis on the biggest security challenges

around the world. Welcome to the podcast I'm Mark Polymeroplus and this is DSR's above average

intelligence show. Today I am very happy to welcome as my guest actually coming back yet

again Mr David McClosky the author of Damascus station Moscow X and the just

released seventh floor which is an outstanding book and we'll talk

certainly about that today David is a former CIA analyst and a former

consultant at McKinsey and company we're not going to say anything about McKinsey.

Don't hold that against me.

And it has a bit of an interesting name at the agency because the reorganization and

we could, as many people say, is that McKinsey killed the CIA but that's not your fault

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