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You guys know Mark. I'm Michael Copeland. I'm a partner with Andrewson Horowitz. Mark, I like to think of

Mark as the co-founder of the web. You're a co-founder of a child now and co-founder of the firm. So we want to

talk about a wide variety of things, but we want to focus the conversation on security. You have this

thesis, Software Eats the World,

and as an observer and somebody in the industry,

we see that security breaches seem to be increasing.

The severity is increasing,

and the question is why,

and I think the answer is there's more to steal.

But how do you balance the gains of this software,

it's the world dynamic,

with what clearly are real risks?

Yeah.

So, well, the short, I'm a radical on this topic,

so the short answer is we have no choice,

and I'll come back and explain why.

So if you had told me 10 years ago,

maybe even five years ago,

...