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The New Yorker Radio Hour

A Year of the War in Ukraine

The New Yorker Radio Hour

WNYC Studios and The New Yorker

News, David, Books, Arts, Storytelling, Wnyc, New, Remnick, News Commentary, Yorker, Politics

4.25.5K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2023

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

In the year since Russia’s invasion, Ukrainians have shown incredible fortitude on the battlefield. Yet an end to the conflict seems nowhere in sight. “Putin’s strategy could be defined as ‘I can’t have it—nobody can have it.’ And, sadly, that’s where the tragedy is right now,” Stephen Kotkin, a fellow at the Hoover Institution and a scholar of Russian history, tells David Remnick. “Ukraine is winning in the sense that [it] didn’t allow Russia to take that whole country. But it’s losing in the sense that its country is being destroyed.” Kotkin says that the standards for a victory laid out by President Volodymyr Zelensky set an impossibly high bar, and that Ukraine—however distasteful the prospect—may be forced to cut its losses. He suggests it could accept its loss of control over some of its territory while aiming to secure expedited accession to the European Union, and still consider this a victory.

Remnick also speaks with Sevgil Musaieva, the thirty-five-year-old editor-in-chief of Ukrainska Pravda, an online publication based in Kyiv, about the toll that the war is taking on her and her peers. “We have to destroy the Soviet Empire and the ghosts of the Soviet Empire, and this is the goal of our generation,” Musaieva says. “People of my generation, they don’t have family. They don’t have kids. They just dedicate their lives—the best years of their lives—to country.”

Kotkin says that the standards for a victory laid out by President Volodymyr Zelensky set an impossibly high bar, and that Ukraine—however distasteful the prospect—may be forced to cut its losses. He suggests it might need to accept its loss of control over some of its territory while aiming to secure expedited accession to the European Union, and still consider this a victory.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNWC Studios and the New Yorker.

0:10.2

Welcome to the New Yorker Radio Hour, I'm David Remnick.

0:14.5

Being a journalist in Ukraine has never been an easy matter.

0:17.7

In fact, it's been extremely dangerous over the years.

0:21.5

Two editors of Ukraine's Skaprovda, Ukrainian truth, have been murdered over time, possibly

0:27.9

by corrupt authorities.

0:30.2

Sevgil Moiseyava became the editor-in-chief in 2014 when she was just in her 20s.

0:36.6

How are you?

0:37.6

Good, good, actually.

0:38.6

Where are you?

0:39.6

I'm not in my youth room today.

0:42.0

I came to business trip to Odessa.

0:45.6

I'm staying in hotel now, just to have a Wi-Fi connection and never seen so.

0:52.2

Wiseyava is from Crimea, which Russia invaded and illegally annexed in 2014.

0:59.6

After Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine just a year ago, she started an English

1:05.0

language edition of Ukraine's Skaprovda, intending to bring news of the war to more readers

1:10.8

in the West.

1:12.2

I talked with Sevgil Moiseyava last week about what it's meant to run a newsroom in

1:17.2

a time of war this past year, while destruction of every kind has engulfed her country.

1:25.0

I want to get a sense of the morale of your newsroom, your virtual newsroom of Ukraine's

1:32.8

Skaprovda.

1:34.2

And at the same time, the morale of people around you, talk to me about what's changed

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