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A World to Win: Seizing the State w/ Ruth Wilson Gilmore

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🗓️ 21 September 2022

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Grace speaks to Ruth Wilson Gilmore, prison abolitionist, scholar, and professor of geography at the City University of New York. She is the author of several books, including Golden Gulag: Prisons, Surplus, Crisis, and Opposition in Globalizing California and, most recently, Abolition Geography: Essays Toward Liberation. They discuss who is profiting from the criminal justice system, how existing institutions within the system serve to support and reinforce capitalist social relations, and what a socialist conception of justice looks like.


A World to Win is a podcast from Grace Blakeley and Tribune bringing you a weekly dose of socialist news, theory, and action with guests from around the world. Thanks to our producer Conor Gillies and to the Lipman-Miliband Trust for making this episode possible.



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Hello and welcome to another episode of A Well to Win. This week I speak to the brilliant

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Ruth Wilson Gilmore who is a prison abolitionist and prison scholar and the director of the

0:21.9

Centre for Place Culture and Politics and Professor of Geography at the City University of New

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York. She is author of several excellent books including Golden Gulag, Prison Surplus, Crisis

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and Opposition in Globalising California and more recently abolition geography essays towards

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liberation. We discuss everything to do with abolition including who is profiting from the way

0:47.0

that the criminal justice system is currently set up how existing institutions within the criminal

0:52.9

justice system serve to support and reinforce capitalist social relations as well as

0:58.1

what a socialist conception of justice looks like and how we can begin to build that now.

1:04.1

Thank you as always to all our patrons who make this show possible. Please do consider

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signing up to become a patron at patreon.com slash a well to win pod. There's a link in the

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description and we need every bit of support that we can get right now. Obviously things are

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difficult for everyone right now so if you don't feel like you can support us on Patreon then please

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do consider sharing this episode on social media, tagging at a well to win pod on Twitter,

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Hello and welcome to another episode of a well to win. This week we are incredibly lucky to be

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