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🗓️ 8 March 2023
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Women photographers take center stage in this week’s show, in celebration of International Women’s Day and Women’s History Month. We reveal the blind spot of photo history in a chat about the book A World History of Women Photographers, with photo historian and co-author Luce Lebart and contributing writer Pauline Vermare.
Gracing the pages of this book’s 500-page heft are images and stories behind 300 women photographers, spanning both photo history and geographic reach. Listen in to learn about the exhaustive process Lebart and co-author Marie Robert undertook to find this range of talent and then commission essays from 160 women writers and curators. We also discuss how the position of women within photography has changed over time and across cultures. There are fresh discoveries to be made by even the most ardent photography devotees, as illustrated by the many photographer names and related resources we mention during the episode, also listed below in our show notes.
Guests: Luce Lebart and Pauline Vermare
Top shot © The National Museum of Iceland, Reykjavik
Episode Timeline
4:17: Luce Lebart describes the editorial statement behind the book A World History of Women Photographers as a manifesto to complete a history that already exists.
10:14: Back stories about women working as picture editors, art directors, designers, and art buyers in photo industry trenches, with male photographers as hunter gathers in the field.
13:32: The international network behind the research for this book. Which came first—the contributing writers or featured photographers?
21:21: The matter of women photographers who stayed in the shadow of a master or did not receive equal recognition as her spouse.
26:45: Avoiding the pitfall of a western centered approach in the geographical representation of photographers selected for the book
30:56: Additional book projects and databases of women photographers.
33:44: Episode break
34:38: Pauline Vermare describes differences between France and America in their respective approaches to photography.
38:36: Pauline discusses the Japanese women photographers she wrote about for the book.
45:00: American photographer Nancy Burson’s stature as a forerunner of current trends for AI generated photographs.
49:40: How A World History of Women Photographers encourages questions of readers, inspiring Pauline to create a forthcoming book on Japanese women photographers.
Guest Bios:
Luce Lebart is co-author, with Marie Robert, of A World History of Women Photographers. A photography historian and curator currently based in Paris, she is a researcher for the Archive of Modern Conflict, a collection and publishing house based between London and Toronto. Luce served as director of the Canadian Institute of Photography from 2016 to 2018, after spending five years directing the collections of the French Society of Photography in Paris.
Pauline Vermare is a French photography curator and historian based in New York. A contributing writer to A World History of Women Photographers, she was formerly the cultural director of Magnum Photos in New York, a curator at the International Center of Photography and the Museum of Modern Art. From 2002 to 2009, she worked at the Henri Cartier-Bresson Foundation, in Paris.
A World History of Women Photographers English language edition: https://www.thamesandhudsonusa.com/books/a-world-history-of-women-photographers-hardcover
A World History of Women Photographers French edition: https://www.editionstextuel.com/livre/une-histoire-mondiale-des-femmes-photographes
Luce Lebart Website: https://lucelebart.org/
Luce Lebart Facebook: ?
Luce Lebart Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lucelebart
Luce Lebart Twitter: https://twitter.com/lucelebart?lang=en
Mauvaises Herbes (Weeds) exhibit: https://www.cpif.net/
Photo Europea Photo Festival: https://www.fotografiaeuropea.it/fe2023/en/concept-2023/
Pauline Vermare curated Kunie Sugiura Exhibit at Alison Bradley Projects: https://www.alisonbradleyprojects.com/kunie-sugiura-show/
Recently curated exhibition of Northern Ireland photos by women photographers: https://photomuseumireland.ie/pauline-vermare-protest
Co-curated exhibition of 10 contemporary Japanese women photographers: https://matterport.com/discover/space/LQT8wCUrWuE
Recent interview on Pauline’s Japanese women photographers project: https://www.truthinphotography.org/japanese-women-photographers.html
Women Photographers mentioned in the podcast:
Anna Atkins - United Kingdom, 1799 - 1871
Amilie Guillot-Saguez -1810, France – 1864, Algeria
Constance Talbot - United Kingdom, 1811 - 1880
Julia Margaret Cameron - 1815, India – 1879, Sri Lanka
Alice Seeley Harris – United Kingdom, 1870 - 1970
Clara Sipprell - 1885, Canada – 1975, United States
Tsuneko Sasamoto – Japan, b. 1914
Tokyo Tokiwa – Japan, b. 1930
Claudia Andujar - Switzerland, b. 1931
Yildiz Moran - Turkey, 1932 - 1995
Sara Facio - Argentina, b. 1932
Hilla Becher - Germany, 1934 - 2015
Abigail Heyman - United States, 1942 – 2013
Nancy Burson - United States, b. 1948
Lesley Lawson – South Africa, b. 1952
Marilyn Nance - United States, b. 1953
Pushpamela N. - India, b. 1956
Pior Arke - Greenland, 1958 - 2007
Angele Etourdi Essamba - Cameroon, b. 1962
Dina Templeton - United States, b. 1969
Zanele Muholi – South Africa, b. 1972
Databases featuring Women Photographers:
WOPHA, Women Photographers International Archive: https://wopha.org/
Women Photograph database (and new book): https://www.womenphotograph.com/
10x10 Photobooks: https://10x10photobooks.org/
Fast Forward: https://fastforward.photography/
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0:26.0 | Greetings and welcome to the B&H Photography Podcast. |
0:29.0 | My name is Alan White. |
0:31.0 | And I'm Jill Waterman. |
0:32.0 | The history photography like the history of art is often bound by a pre-eminent canon and no we're not talking about cameras and lenses in this case. |
0:40.0 | Within art history and academic circles, the word canon refers to a conventional timeline of artists who are considered as genuine by connoisseurs. |
0:50.0 | Efforts to shake up this canon have gained traction in recent years, shedding light on photographers previously unrepresented or unknown. |
0:58.0 | One area of note is the history of women photographers with a wide variety of books, exhibitions, and activities dedicated to rebalancing the scales that have long tipped in favor of men. |
1:09.0 | Case in point. |
1:11.0 | In the 1949 edition of Beaumont Newhall's Seminole History Photography, as well as the updated version published in 1978, there are only 13 women photographers mentioned. |
1:22.0 | And you're ready for this? |
1:24.0 | Not even the same 13. Helen Levit and Tina Modotti, who first appeared in the first edition, was somehow lost when they added Diane Arbis and Hannah Hawk into the 1978 edition. |
1:37.0 | Go figure. |
1:38.0 | The recent book, A World History of Women Photographers, co-authored by Luc LeBarr and Marie-Roubares, commissioned essays from 160 writers and curators to highlight the careers and images of 300 women photographers from around the world. |
1:53.0 | Many of whom are new names, even for the most ardent fans of photography. I know I learned a few. |
1:59.0 | In celebration of Women's History Month, we are honored to welcome French curator and historian, Luc LeBarr, along with one of the books contributing writers Paul Lien Vermaire, to discuss the groundbreaking book on today's show. |
2:12.0 | Hey there, Jill here. |
2:14.0 | Before we introduce this week's guests, I'm jumping in with a quick programming update. As you know, we generally release by weekly episodes of the show on Thursday afternoons at 4 p.m. Eastern to be enjoyed starting with your Thursday evening commute. |
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