Hello there. This is Mark Bauerline with another conversation. Before we get to it, a word about one of our sponsors.

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Wyoming Catholic.edu. We have with us, Rusty Reno. The boss is joining us for a half an hour

to discuss a little something

he has in the magazine this month. It's in the public square. A reference to a book. We focus on books

here. Let's go back to an old book that you, Rusty, discuss. And actually, maybe I should like

generally, you do like to go back. You have in the

public square in the past. You've gone back to books 50, 60 years old. What are you trying to do

there, just generally speaking? Well, I think that we need to, we're facing a time of change. I think we all feel the earthquake underneath our feet

politically, culturally, religiously. And so it's, I think it's important to go back and draw upon

some of the best thinkers in our tradition to try to worry on ourselves with respect to the challenges that we face today.

And that means, you know, looking back to these 20th century figures who underwent their

own period of trauma and transformation, living through the 1930s and 40s, as did Eric Vogland, who's the topic of

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