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The Bill Press Pod

"A very dark turn." With CNN's Jeffrey Toobin

The Bill Press Pod

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Fox News, Hillary Clinton, Young Turks, Donald Trump, Jamie Benson, Progressive, News, Bernie Sanders, Progressive Talk, Liberal, Cnn, Msnbc, Stephanie Miller, Bill Press, Thom Hartmann

4.7601 Ratings

🗓️ 18 February 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

In the latest episode of the Bill Press Pod, Bill interviews CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, who discusses his new book, The Pardon: The Politics of Presidential Mercy. (Click the link to purchase.) Before addressing the book, they dive into current legal controversies, notably Trump's influence in New York, where a U.S. Attorney resigned rather than drop a case against Mayor Eric Adams, raising alarms about the politicization of the Justice Department.

Toobin compares the situation to the "Saturday Night Massacre," noting the troubling implications and potential quid pro quo involved in the dismissal request. He argues that Trump's administration is projecting its own actions onto others, accusing Democrats of weaponizing the DOJ while engaging in similar behaviors themselves.

The conversation shifts to executive orders from the Trump administration that some critics view as legally questionable. Toobin underscores the challenge of accountability, mentioning that state attorneys general have been stepping in to address these overreaches but acknowledges they face difficulties against a Republican-dominated government.

Toobin articulates a crucial warning about the potential for a constitutional crisis if the administration openly defies court rulings. He cites historical precedents, noting that the rule of law has long dictated that the courts, not the executive branch, determine constitutionality.

They move on to Toobin's book that evaluates the presidential pardon power, emphasizing its political nature rather than legal. Toobin acknowledges that while it is subject to abuse, it can also serve compassionately, highlighting the disparities in pardons by various presidents, including Biden's controversial pardon of his son, Hunter Biden.

Lastly, the conversation addresses Trump's pardons, especially the January 6th rioters, which Toobin describes as a grotesque abuse of power, compounding the larger trend towards authoritarianism within the administration. He concludes that these actions contradict principles of equal legal treatment and reinforce systemic corruption by rewarding allies and punishing adversaries.

Overall, the episode critiques the current political landscape, underlining the importance of maintaining the integrity of legal institutions in the face of executive overreach.

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1:05.4

Hello, hello, good friends, and welcome back to the Bill Press pod. Good to see you.

1:12.6

Although it seems like a year, it's only been a month. But by operating so outside the law, Donald Trump has already sowed chaos in the legal community.

1:16.3

Some lower courts have declared several Trump executive orders unconstitutional.

1:21.7

Vice President J.D. Vance and co-president Elon Musk have urged Trump to ignore any orders of the court, and Trump himself

1:30.3

over the weekend hinted he may indeed divide the courts by wrapping himself in Napoleon's cloak

1:37.6

and actually asserting, quote, he who saves his country does not violate any law, or as Louis XIV declared,

1:48.5

Leitasse moi.

1:50.5

The only question is, are we on the cusp of a constitutional crisis or already in one?

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