A Uyghur Teen’s Life After Escaping Genocide

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🗓️ 19 August 2021

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Summary

Here in the United States, 19-year-old Aséna Tahir Izgil feels as though she’s a “grandma.” Aséna is Uyghur, an ethnic minority being imprisoned in labor camps by the Chinese government. The pain she witnessed before escaping in 2017 has aged her beyond her years, she says, making it hard to relate to American teenagers.

“They talk about … TikToks … clothing, malls, games, movies, and stuff,” she says. “And then the things I think about [are] genocide, Uyghurs, international policies … all the annoying adult facts.”

For years, the Chinese government has been persecuting her people, but few have escaped to bear witness. This week on The Experiment: Aséna shares her family’s story of fleeing to the U.S. to escape genocide, adjusting to newfound freedom, and trying to deal with the grief and guilt of being a refugee.

This episode’s guests include Aséna Tahir Izgil and her father, Tahir Hamut Izgil, a Uyghur poet and author.

Further reading: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps, Saving Uighur Culture From Genocide, ‘I Never Thought China Could Ever Be This Dark,’ China’s Xinjiang Policy: Less About Births, More About Control

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This episode was produced by Julia Longoria, with help from Gabrielle Berbey and editing by Katherine Wells and Emily Botein. Fact-check by Yvonne Rolzhausen. Sound design by David Herman, with additional engineering by Joe Plourde. Translations by Joshua L. Freeman.

A translation of Tahir Hamut Izgil’s poem “Aséna” is presented below.

Aséna

By Tahir Hamut Izgil

Translation by Joshua L. Freeman

A piece of my flesh

torn away.

A piece of my bone

broken off.

A piece of my soul

remade.

A piece of my thought

set free.

In her thin hands

the lines of time grow long.

In her black eyes

float the truths of stone tablets.

Round her slender neck

a dusky hair lies knotted.

On her dark skin

the map of fruit is drawn.

She

is a raindrop on my cheek, translucent

as the future I can’t see.

She

is a knot that need not to be untied

like the formula my blood traced from the sky,

an omen trickling from history.

She

kisses the stone on my grave

that holds down my corpse

and entrusts me to it.

She

is a luckless spell

who made me a creator

and carried on my creation.

She is my daughter.

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0:00.0	Okay, good morning. So are you with a lot of family right now? Yes. Yes, how many people?
0:26.4	So there's five people in my family. Okay, cool. This is like the basic question I learned when I am learning English with my teacher.
0:33.4	Oh yeah.
0:35.4	What you're hearing is a mic check between producer Natalia Ramirez and our guest, a new young immigrant to the US.
0:44.4	I remember my favorite phrase in like whole English language was, I don't know.
0:50.4	Why was that your favorite? Because it's just a way to be from a lot of troubles. Like my teacher asked me like complicated questions.
0:59.4	I don't know and then it's done. So I still love it till this day. Okay, perfect. Now you can stop recording.
1:09.4	So when I finally sat down to talk to her, you can go ahead and click record.
1:15.4	Okay. Um, hello, my name is Athena. I first asked Athena to hear East Gill, 19 years old, about the things she did not know when she first got here from China four years ago.
1:29.4	I didn't know what cafeteria means. It was like right before lunch and the teacher was like, okay, kids, let's go to cafeteria and eat your lunch.
1:36.4	And I was like, what the hell is cafeteria?
1:39.4	It sounds so fancy to me. You know, it's like a friend or something. Where are we going now? Yeah, like expensive, you know?
1:48.4	It's like art gallery or something. Only thing like, learn from my British English that I learned from my teacher in a year was restaurant.
1:59.4	For a lot of basic words, she didn't know. Like instead of restroom, she would say toilet. Instead of excuse me, she'd say pardon me.
2:09.4	It's the one day a girl is following me. She turned her pet bag. She looked at me and she's like, hey, I said, hey, she said, you know, you sound like an old lady?
2:19.4	And I was like, really? She said, yes. I was like, okay.
2:24.4	A scene says she didn't really mind being called an old lady. Because a lot of times in class, she kind of feels like one.
2:32.4	When I be friends with my same age kids, I just feel like I'm their grandma.
2:38.4	The main thing, keeping Aesina from connecting to kids her own age, isn't the stuff she doesn't know.
2:44.4	The things they talk about is like TikTok, malls, games.
2:50.4	It's that she knows too much. And then the things I think about, it was genocide, it was Uighurs, it was international policies, all those, you know, like annoying about facts.
3:07.4	Aesina knows these annoying adult facts. Because she's Uighur. She grew up in a room she, a part of Xinjiang China,
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