Hi, it's Diane. On my mind, a twice-endited former president.

How is he going to get out of this one? How's he going to get out of this one? You know,

it's a pretty big hole for him.

Donald Trump has been associated with the number of firsts. He was the first president to

be impeached twice. The first former president to be criminally indicted at the state level.

And now, the first president or former president to be federally indicted. And yet, he continues to leave the

backup candidates with the GOP nomination for a president in 2024. Susan Glasser is a staff

writer at the New Yorker and co-author of the divider. Trump in the White House 2017 through 2021.

She joined me Thursday morning to walk us through the case against Trump, what it means for him and his future.

Susan Glasser, this morning's Washington Post talks about the fact that Donald Trump's lawyer wanted to make a deal

with special prosecutors. What did you make of the fact that he Trump turned that down?

You know, Diane, when given a choice between two courses, one of which is the more aggressive and pugilistic, we know which one, Donald Trump is going to take.

He's always going to fight even if he backs himself into a corner and doing so. And this time with this indictment by Jack Smith, it appears that he has backed himself into something of a corner.

But I think the long history of Trump suggests that we know which choice he'll pick when given a choice by his lawyers.

What do you make the 37 talents brought against him?

Diane, the thing that striking is that this is not what's remarkable about the case is that it involves a former president.

That's the part that is unprecedented. But in fact, legally speaking, this is the kind of case that we have a long history of.

And we know what happens to people who take classified documents, who misuse classified documents, even very, very senior former officials have been charged under these exact same laws in recent years.

And it's very clear cut just in the last few months as some excellent reporting in the New York Times and elsewhere has pointed out, people have literally gone to jail for

doing, for possessing much less in terms of classified information improperly than Donald Trump is alleged to have had.

It's interesting to me that in this indictment, there is a description by the special counsel of hundreds of documents that it says that Donald Trump improperly took with him from the White House.

But the charges enumerated here involve what appeared to be only 31 of what they seem to call the most serious documents involving national security and those that were still in his possession after, after they made a final effort to get him to turn them over voluntarily.

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